"ok so when monkeys kill each other theyre not sinning?"

are you sugesting they are?

but here is a question for you:

if the earth, and the animals that live on it are a product of chance, and if your and my conception is the product of chance, and the arangement of our bodys is chance and therefor the arangement of our brain is chance, and if all the things i've seen and heard and learned are the product of chance, therefor the nurons in my brain are firing in the paterns they are because of chance.......then how on earth can i know that to be true, since my (and your) conclusion has been arived at entirly by chance? it is as if i knocked a pen off of a desk and it happened to fall in such a manner as to write out how it was produced, how it got to the desk, where the desk came from and how it was produced, where i came from, and how i came to knock the pen off the desk.

now, is this view wrong? if so how? or explain to me how we can trust a conclusion which, by its nature, was arived at entirly by chance.

I'll read that bit on darwin and probably make a longer post later tonight or early tomorow