can i clone my two current 15 gig drive and swap them out for two 60 ibm traval stars?

Not exactly clone. But after you format them with the builder image and install the player software onto them, you can copy the contents of the FIDS folder for each one onto the new drives and that will work.

Full instructions are in the drive upgrade guide at www.riocar.org .

so you can't use a cloning tool like ghost, or anything like that?

so you can't use a cloning tool like ghost, or anything like that?

This is a FAQ entry. Please click here.

Ok that make since, but i have upgraded my Tivo which runs a flavor of UNIX. You can’t run ghost or anything like that if you want to upgrade it. And what I had to do is run a UNIX utility called DD or something like that. Has anybody tried that?

Greetings!

Trust me - it is extremely easy to build the drives with the tool provided and then to copy the raw files. I think you will be able to trust the end result more.

And like I said, complete instructions are already in the drive upgrade guide. Step by step.

I’m running a two drive system now, and I bought two new drives and I want to make the upgrade easy and fast as possible, with out having to reload all of the music. Because I am not the best at Linux.

I don't know how many ways I can say this. The drive upgrade guide has complete step-by-step instructions for how to do this. So just follow the instructions there.

It even mentions your particular case: "For example, if you are replacing both drives instead of just one drive, repeat the entire procedure to copy the files from the old secondary drive to the new secondary drive."

Greetings!

Recommendation: you do not have to split the data between two drives. If I remember correctly, you are going from 2 x 15 to 2 x 60. You could copy the contents from both of your drives onto a single 60 target.

Good point. But since he has to swap drives in and out of the player to do the copying anyhow, it really doesn't make it any less troublesome to follow the instructions exactly as written.

Also, there is something to be said for having the files distributed evenly between the two drives.

True. I was thinking that it might be easier than swapping both drives around each time. The important thing is that it is far easier to copy the files than try to duplicate file systems.

dd won't work in your case. dd is just a byte-by-byte copy utility, and you're talking about copying the entire filesystem with it. You'd end up copying a filesystem that's the exact same size to your new larger hard drive, wasting the additional space. And you'd have nowhere to put the filesystem from the other hard drive. In reality, there are ways to solve this problem, but they require very advanced knowledge of Linux.

Just follow the instructions that Tony pointed you to. They're as easy as it's going to get.

so right now i am formating the disks with the builder.

This is the part that sucks I am copying the two 20gig drives to the two 60 gig drives. And they are both full. So now I wait.

Just so you know, it would be even slower with dd.

Greetings!

Trust me - it could be worse... Try doing this with any other unit!!! You really would not have gotten any better throughput in any other fashion. If the drives are connected to the same IDE bus, you are at the maximum possible speed.

Well i know when i copy a hard drive useing ghost, with win 2k or some other os on it. i can copy a 20 gig drive quick.

Hmm - I reckon you'll find your main limitation will be IDE speed, and that any overhead imposed will be less under Unix than Windows.

Of course I am heavily biased as I can't stand the piece of slow, buggy bloatware that is windows

well i copyed them all and it looks like everything went good. but when it boots i think there may be something wrong.
i get this "Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19"

but other then that it seems to work great thanks for the help. (if i read the FAQ)

here is the boot log

If there is anyone present who wants to upgrade the flash, let them speak now,
or forever hold their peace...it seems not. Let fly the Penguins of Linux!

e000 v1.04
Copying kernel...
Calling linux kernel...
Uncompressing Linux..................................... done, booting the kerne
l.
Linux version 2.2.14-rmk5-np17-empeg51 (mac@aphex) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315
(release)) #16 Wed Jul 24 18:19:54 BST 2002
Processor: Intel StrongARM-1100 revision 11
NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.94.1 (c) 1998 Corel Computer Corp.
empeg-car player (hardware revision 7, serial number 90000576)
Command line: mem=12m
Calibrating delay loop... 207.67 BogoMIPS
Memory: 10968k/12M available (964k code, 20k reserved, 332k data, 4k init)
Dentry hash table entries: 2048 (order 2, 16k)
Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k)
Page cache hash table entries: 4096 (order 2, 16k)
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384)
IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli)
Linux-IrDA: IrCOMM protocol ( revision:Tue May 18 03:11:39 1999 )
ircomm_tty: virtual tty driver for IrCOMM ( revision:Wed May 26 00:49:11 1999 )
Starting kswapd v 1.5
SA1100 serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled
ttyS00 at 0xf8010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 UART
ttyS01 at 0xf8050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UART
ttyS02 at 0xf8030000 (irq = 16) is a SA1100 UART
Signature is ffffffff 'ÿÿÿÿ'
empeg display initialised.
empeg dsp audio initialised
empeg dsp mixer initialised
empeg dsp initialised
empeg audio-in initialised, CS4231A revision a0
empeg remote control/panel button initialised.
empeg usb initialised, PDIUSBD12 id 1012
empeg state support initialised 0089/88c1 (save to d0005a00).
empeg RDS driver initialised
empeg power-pic driver initialised (first boot)
RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size
empeg single channel IDE
Probing primary interface...
hda: IC25T060ATCS05-0, ATA DISK drive
hdb: IC25T060ATCS05-0, ATA DISK drive
ide0 at 0x000-0x007,0x038 on irq 6
hda: IC25T060ATCS05-0, 57231MB w/1768kB Cache, CHS=7296/255/63
hdb: IC25T060ATCS05-0, 57231MB w/1768kB Cache, CHS=7296/255/63
empeg-flash driver initialized
smc chip id/revision 0x3349
smc9194.c:v0.12 03/06/96 by Erik Stahlman (erik@vt.edu)

SMC9194: SMC91C94(r:9) at 0x4008000 IRQ:7 INTF:TP MEM:6144b MAC 00:02:d7:12:02:4
0
Partition check:
hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 > hda2 hda3 hda4
hdb: hdb1 < hdb5 hdb6 > hdb2 hdb3 hdb4
RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0
RAMDISK: Loading 320 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done.
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
empeg-pump v0.03 (19980601)
Press Ctrl-A to enter pump...adonly.
change_root: old root has d_count=1
Trying to unmount old root ... okay
Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k initempeg init 0.8
I see this is a developer image!
Mounting proc
Mounting first music partition
Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19
Mounting second music partition
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply...
Starting player
player.cpp : 385:empeg-car 2.00-beta13 2002/07/24.
Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1434 Jul 24 2002
Vcb: 0x40576000

Erm, I think it's supposed to say all that. Looks like a good startup log to me.

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but when it boots i think there may be something wrong.
i get this "Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19"

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That's normal, and expected. No problems. I'm surprised this isn't mentioned in the FAQ.

That's normal, and expected. No problems. I'm surprised this isn't mentioned in the FAQ.

I was hoping it would just disappear in some version of the software.