Havent really seen an MP3 player that doesnt require some computer saavy.

You haven't seen the Rio HSX-109 in action, then.

It literally requires no computer savvy at all. Plug it into your stereo, turn it on, and start feeding it discs.

Even for someone like me who knows a great deal about ripping and encoding, it's so easy it's intoxicating.
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Tony Fabris