I have a brand new empeg. Was taken out of the box and mp3's loaded on it but nothing else. This unit was to be installed into my wifes car but after complications and the fact she doesn't want me to trim her dashboard to fit the unit I thought I would try to trade it off for an iPod if anyone on here has one and looking to get rid of it. Again this unit is practicly new never installed and flawless, everything that comes with the empeg is inculded. Also this is the RioCar version.

Been on the forums for awhile not posted much though. would ask that iPod be shipped first. Will supply any information that you request to put you at ease.

I'll trade it for an Archos Jukebox Studio 20, which uses the same concept of the iPod, except its smaller, has a larger drive (20gb), and can be used as an external drive to store stuff other than mp3's and m3u's. See about it at: http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_jbplayers.html

Careful there. The Archos (4.5" x 3.2" x 1.3", 12oz) is not smaller than the iPod (4.02" x 2.43" x 0.78", 6.5oz), and the iPod can also be used as an external hard drive (and its Firewire is much faster than the Archos' USB). Can't argue with you about the drive size.

Alex

Oops about the size! However, I thought the iPod was manipulated via specialized software (i guess similar to emplode) that allowed download of only mp3s and some specifically pre-chosen stuff such as vcards, that the software is designed to handle specifically. Does the iPod connect to anything but Macs? Can you actually mount it as a regular r/w external drive? Firewire is convenient, as we all know that USB is not lightning fast...

I've thought about jukebox but have read numerous reports of minor quirks from time to time about it. Also do like the fact that the iPod can be used as a straight up HardDive as well. Great for my work as I'm always transfering 500+meg files back and forth from home/work although I have broadband so it's not that big of a deal. Firewire I'm not to worried about as none of my computers have it and USB isn't fast but still at around what like 2m/sec is still decent, not like I'm ever in a hurry to transfer tons of stuff onto.

If I do not get any other replies I'll consider the archos box though after further investigation into them.

edit: Never mind also seen the archos does the same thing hard drive wise.

Firewire I'm not to worried about as none of my computers have it

Well, you're gonna have to get it if you use an iPod. And if you're a Windows XP user, you have to put care into which firewire card you get.

Yea I know I'll have to get it if I get the iPod. My point was that if I do decide to get the Archos box then the point between firewire/USB is null as I could careless between the 2.

Yes I do have WinXP but if it's that big of a deal like I've read I'll save myself the hassle and just either dual-boot my machine or bring my old 450 back into production.

I'm actually working on getting a Mac if you can believe that. I have never owned one before, so Apple's plan is working. Get the Windows user hooked on iPod so they will buy other Mac stuff to get official support for iPod.

By the way, my iPod has been out of service for about 2 months now. I unplugged the iPod without stopping it in Windows first. It is now a paperweight until I can get it to a Mac for restoration. Ugh.

Well unfortunetly I do have a mac also but it's strictly for work purposes. I've got an iBook actually. My company got a huge contract with the county where we have to support 30,000+ iBooks and it was kinda funny b/c none of us knew macs. I do some what but only b/c everyone would pass them to me when we had to fix them.

Simple as this. Don't like them and never will. Most I would do with it is wipe the HD and load BSD or other flavor of linux on it before I use the MacOS. And god don't get me started on OSX what moron had the idea of competley changed all the menus and the way the OS works?

I thought the iPod was manipulated via specialized software (i guess similar to emplode) that allowed download of only mp3s

That's true, but it can also be mounted as a FireWire hard drive. You can't access the mp3s from the hard drive, though, IIRC. This is their way of preventing piracy.

Don't like them and never will.

That doesn't do much to explain why you don't like them.

Most I would do with it is wipe the HD and load BSD or other flavor of linux on it before I use the MacOS. And god don't get me started on OSX what moron had the idea of competley changed all the menus and the way the OS works?

First, BSD is not a ``flavor of linux''. Both are versions of Unix, and BSD is, these days, a container term that holds a number of other Unices -- FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD being the major current ones, although Ultrix and SunOS were BSDs before DEC and Sun decided to change tacks.

And MacOS X is a Unix itself. Or, more specifically, Darwin is. MacOS X is that Unix OS plus the GUI and other things. And it's not as if changing to another OS wouldn't also change your UI. And Microsoft did the same thing when they went from Windows3.11/NT3.51 to Windows95/NT4.0.

And Apple makes remarkable hardware. It's very stable. Assuming that the applications they need are available for the MacOS, I'd suggest all large installations go that way. You'd have much less work on your hands, IMHO. If you're supporting 30k iBooks, can you compare the rate of needed support to some other laptop you guys also support? I bet it's much lower.

By the way, my iPod has been out of service for about 2 months now. I unplugged the iPod without stopping it in Windows first. It is now a paperweight until I can get it to a Mac for restoration. Ugh.

Man, that's funny. You think Apple would have thought of a way to fix that if you don't have a Mac. But, I guess they didn't intend for it to be used with Windows when it was developed.

Ok now you had to get all technical with me. I knew what I ment, you knew what I ment.

As for the lower numbers. Not a good camparision seeing how we get tons of mac calls because all the people using them are either elementry or high school students.

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That's true, but it can also be mounted as a FireWire hard drive. You can't access the mp3s from the hard drive, though, IIRC. This is their way of preventing piracy.

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By default, this is true, but guess what -- the folder is just hidden, so all you need to do is unhide it, and you can get to the MP3s. I love Apple.

Alex

Ugh, Bitt, for the record, PC hardware is just as stable as Mac, the difference is there is simply more flavors of it. If you are willing to pay the prices Apple charges for hardware, believe me, it wouldn't crash. Ever. The main difference to me is that in the PC world, you get a choice. You want an $800 Video card, no problem. You want an $8 video card, no problem there either. The difference is simply quality of the components.

I should have been more precise. Due to the fact that Apple controls the basic platforms and the operating system, you have fewer conflicts between hardware and OS (in my experience). And, of course, you can buy peecee parts that are just as high quality as Apple stuff, but you have to do a good amount of research to find out what they are, and it's unlikely that you'll buy an already built system that has those parts, meaning you'll have to build it yourself.

My point was that my personal experience supporting both peecees and Macs is that Mac laptops have fewer problems than peecee laptops. And it is my belief that this has to do with the fact that laptop-specific hardware support was an afterthought in peecee OSes, even (and, perhaps especially) including your various Unices as well as MS Windows. (And you can't build a laptop yourself to get higher quality parts, either.)

Point taken and agreed with. I guess I'm one of the lucky few that gets paid to research my hardware. ;8^)

Steve Jobs has been quoted as saying piracy is a social problem and not a technical one, thus no huge effort was put into an "unbreakable" copy protection scheme with iTunes and the iPod. I completly agree with the policy.

As do I. The same thing is true of Dvd/Vhs copyright protection schemes. It's a pain in the butt for most people to copy a DVD to a VHS, so most people don't. It's not impossible, it just requires a $50 piece of equipment.

Or my mothers VCR. I was expecting to make a run to Radio Shack for an RF Modulator when I was hooking her DVD player up, but it worked fine through her recent VCR with no problems. By what I can tell, the VCR simply ignored Macrovision, as my laptop also didn't cause any wierdness even though it puts out macrovision on the TV out when the DVD player runs.

What kind of VCR? Some JVC models have a built-in time base corrector. If it does, the Macrovision should be ignored.

I can't remember offhand, it was a cheeper one, it might have been high enough end to have 4 heads instead of two... I'm pretty sure it wasn't a JVC though.

I got an ipod. I'll trade ya for your rio. e-mail me. fink8@optonline.net

Do u have to trade? Can't i buy it?`
Mail me: danne965@home.se

I've currently have 2 people interested in trade for an iPod. Both I have yet to get a yes/no from to start the ball rolling. Another person defiently willing to trade for an Archos Musicbox. Main reason why I would rather do a straight trade then sell if then I've gotta take that money and buy the product I want. Sure if these trades fall threw I'd sell the unit for around $400 or so that way I can go buy my portable mp3 player.

On another note. fink08 sent you an e-mail last week and have yet to here from you, also sent a Private Message on these boards. Let me know if you want to do this or not.

This unit is offically gone so everyone can stop sending me private messages or e-mails.

Thanks, and I'll be loving my new ipod.