i saw a real scarey article saying that what the records industry wants to do is to get a form of MP3 which you can't copy and then you have to pay each time you listen to it.

Also they would love to get everyone to buy their record collection again on mp3 as everyone did when CDs came into mainstream

the records industry wants to do is to get a form of MP3 which you can't copy and then you have to pay each time you listen to it.

Hmm, replace a few words in that like music with movies, and you have Divx. Disney was hellbent on saying they were moving from VHS to Divx only, and look what happened there. The industry spent a ton of money on it, and consumers beat it up bad enough to have it completly withdrawn from the market.

My copy protection reverse boycott was thought up for the exact same reason. Give them a sign we don't want it, and hurt their pocketbooks so they won't just keep trying it.

It won't necessarily rip copy protected CD's. The author of the ripping code is a little wary of Skylarov type issues, understandably.

Rob

Don't even get me started on the Adobe front. I don't know what I would have done if Adobe hadn't dropped their support for the charges.

The amazing thing is that they pulled out nearly six months ago, only a week after he was arrested.

Of course the HSX-109 can still take any MP3 tracks from your PC.
And provided you can rip the disc with other means (so far, this is proving not too difficult) you can still get the music there via USB or ethernet.

Perhaps, but for a product with the main purpose of replacing the role of the PC for your average non-techie home user, I can see this becoming a big source of frustration as more and more "protected" CDs are released. I know a few people who would quickly get to the "I should thow the f**kn thing out the window" stage like they do now with their PCs, having spent 1500 on a device that was supposed to make life easier but only works most of the time.

The music industry sucks.

Agreed.
And the music industry does suck.
But I thought it was important to point out that there was a way to fight back.
The consumers should not be saying "I should thow the f**kn thing out the window" but should insted show their bitter distaste of the music industrys actions and throw them out the F**kn window. I have.
I used to buy CDs and rip them myself only for me and would never take part in Napster or any of the other sharing apps, but no longer.

I have now ceased buying anything from the music industry except the CDs I buy for the sole purpose of returning.

I beta tested the HSX-109 and it is a fine machine.
You simply cannot blame Rio or any manufacturer for this tripe that the music industry continues to spew forth.
We must all fight this as it is truly wrong.
I bought it, and I can do with it as I wish dammit.
If enough people do this, it will make a difference.

What does HSX-109 do if it encounters CD it cannot rip due to 'copy protection'? I hope it displays a message to the effect of

We are sorry, but the thing you put into CD drive is not a Digital Audio Compact Disc as per Red-Book-or-whatever-standard. We suggest that you return it to thieves who sold it to you and threat legal action if they refuse to refund you. Tell them that guys from Diamond who once already beat them in court sent you.

What do you think?

Aaaah, finally an article with good news about copy protected CDs. See here

A quick quote from the article:

"I am particularly concerned that some of these technologies may prevent or inhibit consumer home-recording using recorders and media covered by the" Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA), Boucher wrote. "Any deliberate change to a CD by a content owner that makes (the allowed personal copies) no longer possible would appear to violate the content owner's obligations."


Yay for the consumers, for once!

Here is a copy of an email I sent to umg@umusic.com In regards to your attempt to copy protect your cd's (ie Fast and the Furious), I think it is ridiculous. First of all, I have a mobile mp3 player (empeg.com) that I use to rip all of my purchased CDs to mp3. I as a consumer, am entitled to do this by law. However, in your greedy attempt to circumvent the ability to do this (again, legally rip mp3s for my own use), you have done nothing but exclamate the fact that it is about greed, and not about fair use of a product. Companies such as Universal will spend millions of dollars in technologies to put an end to something that will never end. Don't get me wrong, I am not mad; just slightly bitter.....Because it took me an extra 5 minutes to figure out how to encode my mp3s.

Regards!

Shouldnt have mentioned the empeg :-(

Does it matter? It's already not being made anymore...

One second to hit delete...... because this is what they did...

no offense. just calling it like it is...

I know there were only 4 thousand made, but why make it a target??

Sean

I don't understand "making it a target." How many hundreds of thousands of mp3 players already exist?...dvd players that play mp3s, portables etc. Not to mention the millions of computers that have mp3 playback capabilities. I think it is important to REMIND companies that mp3 is here to stay. As much as record companies would like to get rid of mp3, they never will. Or atleast until it is replaced with a better form of comression. And believe me, if the record companies themselves could figure out a way to profit from mp3, they would. Instead, they are trying to control it, because they cannot profit from it directly.

And Micman2b....I am not sure what you are saying???

You are right its really no big deal.

"First of all, I have a mobile mp3 player (empeg.com) that I use to rip all of my purchased CDs to mp3."

This statement is incorrect. It implies that the empeg copies music in a digital form off the cd and encodes it into a mp3 for you.

Sean

I I just tried to subscribe to audible.com. This is a service that provides audio books that may be downloaded. Here is a copy of the email that I later sent to them:

Based on "We use a number of different compression technologies, matched both to the listening devices as well as to the audio content itself. Format #4 happens to be a version of MP3, the well-known compression technology used for music. " I expected that I would be able to down load these to a "RioCar" player. It supports mp3 and wma. To me, "A version of mp3" implies various bit rates or VBR! Not that it can not be played on an mp3 player.

BUT based on
"Audible uses security technologies, including encryption, to protect purchased programs. While the more typical MP3 files contain the same kind of audio data, they are not protected in this way." I may not be able to use these files with the RioCar.

If I am unable to down load this information to the RioCar player I will not be able to use this service!
I am willing to subscribe to your service and pay for services that I receive as long as they function on an open non-MICROSOFT platform.

I ordered a free rio600 with a 1 year subscription (2 books per month at 15.95). If I am unable to use the service with the RioCar, please cancel all charges to my credit card.


So what next,
this tape will self destruct in 3...2...


Have Fun,
BillA.

This is a service that provides audio books that may be downloaded.

There is a FAQ Entry on Audio Books that answers all your questions.

Tony,

Thanks. I had thought about using musicmatch with the recorder input set to
system mixer. I have used this in the past on DVD sound tracks and it works as
well as any audio ripping would. TotalRecord looks like it would stop
when the audio stops. This would save the final editing stage of removing dead time
at the end.

My real point here is, Much like returning CDs in protest (after you rip it?)
canceling a subscription should help send a message.

"Remember.. we're all in this together" RedGreen


Have Fun,
BillA.

Yes Tony a great album, but here's a story about it. I remember going to a Demo in a hi-fi store at the time when the album came out. As the demo progressed the staff brought in more and more expensive equipment. The top line CD palyer and Record deck were featured in a shoot-out with the Bro in Arms "Your latest Trick" played on both. Everyone was asked which they preferred and 90% of the audience clearly preferrred the Vinyl sound. Now I am an old timer who grew up with Vinyl, now buy CD's almost exclusively, but I wonder what would be the reaction now to the same test? I have Vinyl and CD copies of the album and I know which one I like best Having said that I love the sound of CD's through my Class A valve amp, and those tubes (AKA valves over here) look real nice at night !

Errr hope I don't start a war here

Ok, so I went out and bought The Fast And The Furious soundtrack today. I opened Audiograbber and set the first track to 0 like mentioned but most of the tracks are showing as data, I even changed all of the times to be right.

Now I'm mad Now what?

What Adobe should have done after having him arrested, then walking away going "Oh well, we can't do anything now, it's not our fault the government is not dropping the case", was paid for a lawyer for him. Instead, they got the best of both worlds...They got what they wanted, and people won't see them as [censored].

Well the damn cd is going back to the store. I can rip it in one large file but I can't play it on my HU in my van. WTF How do they expect to sell these cd's if people can't even play them on a normal cd player. Now I am PO'd.

I know how you feel. Last week I also bought a CD which turned out to be copy protected (see thread "I guess I stumbled upon my first copy protected CD in the off topic forum).
I felt very angry, deceived even. I was in doubt if I was going to return to the store or now, but then Tony Fabris offered to have a look at it.
Since I'm more interested in knowing how to break to protection (for future use), I sent the CD to him yesterday.
I sure hope he'll find a way to extract the files!