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#359338 - 10/08/2013 23:39 Retro Gaming cabling crazyness.
Taym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
I have an Atari 2600 and a Sinclair ZX Spectrum, fully working.

I want to connect them to a standard PC monitor, which seems to be a particularly good idea as I have also handy a very good up-scaler:
XRGB-mini Framemeister

So, I only need to convert the "antenna" audio/video output of the two old machines (which is physically an RCA connector) to
either
S-Video + RCA Audio L+R (well, these are mono devices...)
or
RCA Video (yellow) + RCA Audio L+R

How? I can't seem to find such a converter. Yet, that's something any old (and new) VHS VCR could easily do! I really do not want to use an old VCR for that only. I am hoping to simply find a small box that lets me do that.

Do you guys have any suggestion?
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#359339 - 11/08/2013 01:39 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: Taym]
K447
old hand

Registered: 29/05/2002
Posts: 799
Loc: near Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Are there (or were, back in the day) modifications that brought out the raw video signal(s)?

It sounds like these machines are delivering a modulated TV channel output signal, and what you needs is just the original video signal from inside the game console, prior to the RF modulator.

Edit: Like this.

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#359340 - 11/08/2013 06:09 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: K447]
Taym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
Yes, they are delivering a modulated TV channel output. And there are hacks.

But, I was really hoping to keep these machine pristine and not hack them.
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#359341 - 11/08/2013 06:46 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: Taym]
peter
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
The thing you want is called a UHF demodulator.

Peter

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#359342 - 11/08/2013 17:42 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: peter]
Taym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
THANK YOU!
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#359343 - 12/08/2013 00:46 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: peter]
Folsom
member

Registered: 12/08/2001
Posts: 175
Loc: Atlanta
That box won't work, it only goes down to 467MHz. You'll want something that can demodulate down to 54MHz.

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#359344 - 12/08/2013 06:11 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: Folsom]
peter
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
Ohhh, were Atari 2600s VHF-only? ZX Spectrums are certainly UHF (channel 36).

Googling it a bit seems to suggest that 2600s were UHF in some markets and VHF in others. That box will only work on UHF, but at least now you know what to search for...

Peter

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#359346 - 12/08/2013 14:54 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: peter]
drakino
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
My 2600 (US version) worked on channel 2 or 3 (54 or 60MHz). Same for the NES when using the "antenna" option.

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#359347 - 12/08/2013 16:40 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: drakino]
Dignan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12341
Loc: Sterling, VA
Originally Posted By: drakino
My 2600 (US version) worked on channel 2 or 3 (54 or 60MHz). Same for the NES when using the "antenna" option.

Same with my Sega Master System. I'm not sure how I'd hook that up these days. I guess I'll have to get one of those devices too...
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#359364 - 15/08/2013 21:00 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: Dignan]
Taym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
I could not find any VHS DEmodulator.

Anyway, I got a UHF demodulator all the same, just in case and to keep one in the house (I have other old less popular videogame consoles).

I do not know yet which channels the Spectrum and the Atari are using. I'll check on a TV and keep you guys posted as I progress with this fun retro-gaming thing smile


P.S.: If anyone is more successful then me in finding a VHS demodulator, please let me know! smile Thanks again guys!


Edited by Taym (15/08/2013 21:01)
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#359366 - 15/08/2013 22:47 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: Taym]
Folsom
member

Registered: 12/08/2001
Posts: 175
Loc: Atlanta
I forgot the different Ataris transmitted on different channels, in the US they were channels 3/4.

Here are some demodulators that should work:

Link

Link

Link

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#359367 - 15/08/2013 23:02 Re: Retro Gaming cabling crazyness. [Re: Folsom]
Taym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
Thank you! smile
I'll see if I can find them here in EU.
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