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#298690 - 26/05/2007 18:53 Dictaphones...
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
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Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Hi guys!

Some of you may remember my question about the network I am going to implement at my father-in-laws. (see here). I’ve pretty much got the whole networking idea down, but yesterday my father-in law came up with something new.

The situation is the following:
He is a doctor, and always speaks his conclusions into a dictaphone. You know, one of those small tape recorders. He then hands over this tape to his secretary, which then types his conclusions into a document. For this she uses one of those dictaphone tape players with headphones, and a foot pedal with which she can control the playing/stopping of the tape player.

My father-in-law would like to see this digitized. Basically, he would need a digital dictaphone, which should record his voice no longer on tape, but in a digital file. The idea then is to email that file to his secretary, which should then again type out that entire file into a document.

Now… my question is: does anyone of you know which hardware would be up to this? Finding a dictaphone which records to .mp3 or .wav is probably not all that hard. (even though I have no idea where to look and/or which brands are any good, so tips are welcome!) But the real problem lies with the secretary. I’m guessing there probably is software out there somewhere which can play such a file, and can also be controlled by a foot pedal (via USB?), but where? Headphones are easily enough connected to nowadays PC’s so that’s not a problem.

Can anyone of you point me in the right direction? Which hardware should I buy? Or software? Any help is most welcome, because I have really no idea where to look for this...

Thanks!
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#298691 - 26/05/2007 19:27 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
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Google search for USB Transcription Foot Pedal returns quite a few links, most pointing to the same Infinity IN-USB-1 product. Some of the sites list compatible software, so it's probably worth looking at the hardware first then looking at the software.

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#298692 - 26/05/2007 21:33 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: drakino]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
That looks pretty good! I suppose this pedal can then be used to control any media player like eg. Winamp. I'll dig a little bit deeper into that, but that should work. Thanks Tom!

Sooo... anybody any idea for a good quality digital dictaphone?
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#298693 - 26/05/2007 21:42 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
These people seem to know what they're talking about.
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#298694 - 26/05/2007 22:04 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: wfaulk]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Cheers!
By now I've found out that Philips is a big player in this market. They have some very nice products. The downside seems to be that all their products use the .dss (digital speech system) file format instead of eg. mp3. This means the use of proprietary software.

Fortunately, I've also found software called Express Scribe which seems to be free (and works with the infinity pedal!), so the use of this .css file format doesn't have to be that bad.

I'll continue looking, but I'm already a bit further.

Thanks for the info guys!
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#298695 - 26/05/2007 23:09 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
g_attrill
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Registered: 14/04/2002
Posts: 1172
Loc: Hants, UK
Or get a socket for the existing pedal and wire it up to whatever port is appropriate:

http://www.nch.com.au/scribe/pedalwiring.html

If she still transcribes tapes for other people it could be inconvenient to change them over, but she might prefer to use one that she is already used to.

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#298696 - 27/05/2007 00:29 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: g_attrill]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Thanks for that, but no, that won't be necessary because she only works for my father-in-law. And I don't think there's much getting used to different pedals. (but then again: what do I know? )
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#298697 - 27/05/2007 06:32 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Olympus & Sony do them, I suspect you can't go far wrong with a well known brand...

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#298698 - 27/05/2007 11:57 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
pedrohoon
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Registered: 06/08/2002
Posts: 333
Loc: The Pilbara, Western Australia
Would it be possible to integrate a program like Dragon Naturally Speaking into the workflow in place of the secretary and the dictaphone?
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#298699 - 27/05/2007 13:24 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: altman]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Quote:
Olympus & Sony do them, I suspect you can't go far wrong with a well known brand...


Yes, I've seen so as well since yesterday. It will probably be a good idea to pop into one of those 'office centres', and ask them what they would recommend. But indeed, I will stick to a product of one of those three brands.
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#298700 - 27/05/2007 13:25 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: pedrohoon]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
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Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Quote:
Would it be possible to integrate a program like Dragon Naturally Speaking into the workflow in place of the secretary and the dictaphone?

I'm sure the secretary would just love your suggestion...
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#298701 - 28/05/2007 03:37 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
I'll pipe in here, as we use express scribe at work. It works flawlessly, but there is one MAJOR design flaw. It allows you to open as many mp3's as you like, but every time it opens one, it converts it to a wav file. As we deal in council meetings that can last 6-7 hours, the files can grow to larger than a couple of gigs. Normally, not an issue, but on more than one occasion, the secretary's computers started acting strangely, until I noticed that they had ~10 Megs free on the HDD.

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#298702 - 29/05/2007 14:26 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: lectric]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Whoa! That's indeed one helluva design flaw! I'll look at bit further. Maybe I'll find some alternative software...

Thanks!
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#298703 - 29/05/2007 14:35 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Buy a bigger HD?

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#298704 - 29/05/2007 14:41 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: tman]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
Quote:
Buy a bigger HD?


Ewwww!
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#298705 - 29/05/2007 23:06 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
One thing is that express scribe is free, so try it out if you like.

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#298706 - 30/05/2007 07:28 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: lectric]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Oh, I will, thanks!

One thing I've been meaning to ask you: when it converts the files to .wav, does this happen on-the-fly, without the user noticing it? And where does it store these files? In the same directory as where the mp3 is?

Because if that is the main problem, I can always say they to just delete all those .wav files, say once a week...
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#298707 - 30/05/2007 23:26 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
Yes, it's on the fly. The only way they'd notice is if they are trying to skip a ways ahead before it has had a chance to convert to wav. They can open an MP3, and start transcribing immediately. Unfortunately, in our case, they normally do verbatims of only a specific part of the meeting, say starting in hour four. They must wait until it has converted at least that much.

Oh, and wav path is \Program Files\NCH Swift Sound\Scribe\Current Files.


Edited by lectric (30/05/2007 23:32)

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#298708 - 31/05/2007 06:28 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
sein
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Registered: 07/01/2005
Posts: 893
Loc: Sector ZZ9pZa
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Sooo... anybody any idea for a good quality digital dictaphone?

I'm no heavy dictaphone user, but I have taken a few notes on my recent Nokia phone. The sound quality is good (it has a good mic, as you would imagine) but the reason I mention it is because it is simple to email the file directly from the phone. In the actual voice recorder program its just options -> send -> email -> 'type in the address, subject, message' -> green button. Very painless, and skips out the whole connecting to a computer step.

The big limitation is the clips have a maximum length of one minute, which probably kills the idea. You can attach multiple clips to an outgoing email though.
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#298709 - 31/05/2007 12:08 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: sein]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I can only assume that emailing largish files from your phone costs much less in the UK than the US. Some sort of automated Bluetooth solution would probably make more sense.
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#298710 - 01/06/2007 06:21 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: wfaulk]
CrackersMcCheese
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
"Do you use a dictaphone?"

"No, I use my finger like everybody else."


Sorry, I'll get my coat...

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#298711 - 01/06/2007 10:59 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: lectric]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Quote:
Yes, it's on the fly. The only way they'd notice is if they are trying to skip a ways ahead before it has had a chance to convert to wav. They can open an MP3, and start transcribing immediately. Unfortunately, in our case, they normally do verbatims of only a specific part of the meeting, say starting in hour four. They must wait until it has converted at least that much.

Oh, and wav path is \Program Files\NCH Swift Sound\Scribe\Current Files.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated!
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#298712 - 01/06/2007 11:00 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: sein]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Quote:
Quote:
Sooo... anybody any idea for a good quality digital dictaphone?

I'm no heavy dictaphone user, but I have taken a few notes on my recent Nokia phone.

While your idea might be good enough for the occasional voice note, I really need professional material because it will be used intensely on a daily basis. Thanks for the suggestion though.
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#298713 - 01/06/2007 16:59 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Quote:
"Do you use a dictaphone?"

"No, I use my finger like everybody else."


Sorry, I'll get my coat...

.......

That was such a bad joke! I may have to use it...

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#298714 - 05/06/2007 11:04 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
furtive
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Registered: 14/08/2001
Posts: 886
Loc: London, UK
Quote:
"Do you use a dictaphone?"

"No, I use my finger like everybody else."

Sorry, I'll get my coat...


Damn you - I only came to this thread to make that joke
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#298715 - 05/06/2007 15:07 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: furtive]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31596
Loc: Seattle, WA
Yeah, I hadn't heard that one yet until seeing it in this thread. Sprung it on someone last weekend, they laughed for like five minutes.
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#298716 - 09/07/2007 10:58 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
Ok, so everything is slowly coming together. I've already determined that I'll buy a Philips 9600 disctaphone. This device uses DSS pro as a codec.

My question now is: I'd like to know how much kB/s this thing will use. That way it'll be possible for me to approx. determine how much disk space I will need per year.

Anybody have any idea? I can't seem to find this on any of the 'official' sites...

Cheers!
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#298717 - 09/07/2007 11:25 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: BartDG]
maczrool
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Posts: 1649
Loc: Louisiana, USA
This isn't an 'official' site, but it seems to answer your question.

Stu
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#298718 - 09/07/2007 12:15 Re: Dictaphones... [Re: maczrool]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
indeed exactly what I needed!
Cheers!
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