#296493 - 18/05/2007 12:30
Re: Lost on 5/16
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it would have been nice if someone had mentioned the possibility of cutting the cable
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Over all I can say this has been a very good season of Lost. So much for the nay sayers.
Agreed.
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#296494 - 18/05/2007 13:37
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Over all I can say this has been a very good season of Lost. So much for the nay sayers.
I'll third that. I think it got off to a slow start, maybe some leftover sluggishness from (IMO) a lackluster season two, but all of a sudden It came back full force and has been just as good as season one.
I'm really hoping Charlie doesn't actually die. I'm sure it would be hard to give him more flashback episodes, but I think the Charlie-centric episodes have been the most consistently good ones (I particularly liked "The Moth").
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#296495 - 18/05/2007 13:38
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Charlie's a compelling character. The one they need to kill off is Jack. He's just a tool.
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#296497 - 18/05/2007 14:24
Re: Lost on 5/16
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They can't kill Jack, it'd collapse the love triangle Sawyer/Kate/Jack. Deflating sexual tension is a classic shark tank move. Won't happen, or if it does it will be at the very last episode of the whole series.
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edit: AOL to Jack = Tool
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#296498 - 18/05/2007 14:54
Re: Lost on 5/16
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They can't kill Jack, it'd collapse the love triangle Sawyer/Kate/Jack.
Ugh. By far my least favorite aspect of the entire show.
I thought it was hilarious how, as early as the first season, they were setting that triangle up. My main problem with it was that at the time, they'd only been on the island for a few weeks or something. I found it a little odd that they've just survived a plane crash and they think there's a monster in the jungle, yet they're finding time to get a love triangle going. It just felt like something the network execs made them put in there.
Jericho had a similar plotline, which is one of the things that made me stop watching the show, because it was so ridiculous and unnatural.
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#296499 - 18/05/2007 15:12
Re: Lost on 5/16
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I'm still wondering whether or not they always intended to kill off those two new cast members they brought in at the beginning of the season.
Are you kidding? Me and my friends were calling them "redshirts" from the moment they said their first lines. It was too obvious.
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#296500 - 18/05/2007 15:14
Re: Lost on 5/16
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I'm really hoping Charlie doesn't actually die.
If it weren't for the constant "you're gonna die" mantra, I might agree. But I'm so sick of it by now, we're all just screaming FOR GOD'S SAKE DIE ALREADY.
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#296501 - 18/05/2007 15:57
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Actually, they were killed off due to bad fan reaction. From the Lostpedia article on Nikki: Quote:
According to an Entertainment Weekly article, Nikki and Paulo were originally supposed to be part of a longer storyarc, with one episodes having its flashbacks devoted to Nikki's fictional TV show, Exposé, to end with a surprise twist (presumably revealing that those "flashbacks" were merely part of a TV show Nikki was acting in). Faced with the negative fan backlash to the two characters' abrupt introduction, however, the producers, already facing declining ratings for the show, decided back in December 2006 to trim down the storyarc and kill off the two characters in a single episode.
I think that this is bad juju. Once you start writing your show to appease the whims of the fans, you compromise your story enough that it really starts to go downhill. It's the bellwether for jumping the shark.
Edited by wfaulk (18/05/2007 16:13)
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#296502 - 18/05/2007 16:11
Re: Lost on 5/16
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If it weren't for the constant "you're gonna die" mantra, I might agree. But I'm so sick of it by now, we're all just screaming FOR GOD'S SAKE DIE ALREADY.
I think this is part of a larger plot point myself. I've often contended that Charlie has actually been dead since Ethan hanged him when kidnapping Claire. I think this current storyline is something of a notion that the Island is trying to correct itself. But I could be wrong.
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#296503 - 18/05/2007 16:31
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Spoiler:
Ohg jung nobhg gur snpg gung gur crefba sebz gur bhgfvqr fnvq gur jubyr jerpx bs gur cynar unf orra sbhaq, naq rirelbar baobneq jnf sbhaq qrnq?
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#296504 - 18/05/2007 16:38
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Well, the producers of Lost have gone on record many times to say:
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gur fheivibef ner abg nyernql qrnq, gurl'er abg va chetngbel, rgp.
That doesn't mean that they're not lying to us, but I don't think they are.
Assuming that the helicopter girl is telling the truth, it seems more likely that the Hanso Foundation faked it somehow. Of course, I have no inclination to assume that she is telling the truth.
Besides, if you're saying that that's a reason Charlie should be dead, then why not the rest of the survivors, too?
Edited by wfaulk (18/05/2007 17:04)
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#296505 - 18/05/2007 16:46
Re: Lost on 5/16
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I've been thinking Hanso coverup as well. I haven't believe that story one bit, just like I don't believe at all that Locke is dead.
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#296506 - 18/05/2007 16:51
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Clearly the Island will heal Locke. He might be incapacitated for a while. I think that if one thinks that Locke is dead, he hasn't been paying attention.
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#296507 - 18/05/2007 16:58
Re: Lost on 5/16
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I'm keeping my self ignorant of info from the producers, so I didn't know they have said that, and I'm just taking what happens on the show.
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Vs Unafb ena Qunezn, ohg Ora tbg gur bevtvany Qunezn crbcyr xvyyrq, jbhyqa'g Unafb xabj jung unccrarq, naq abg fhccbeg gur pbhc?
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#296508 - 18/05/2007 17:02
Re: Lost on 5/16
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I'm keeping my self ignorant of info from the producers
Oops. Sorry about that, then. Didn't occur to me.
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Lbh nffhzr gung obgu fvqrf jrer abg pbagebyyrq ol Unafb. Vg unf orra fhttrfgrq jvguva gur cebtenz vgfrys gung Unafb/Qunezn jrer vagrerfgrq va cflpubybtvpny rinyhngvba bs bccbfvat fvqrf.
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#296509 - 18/05/2007 17:55
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Interesting idea there, Bitt.
Do you have an explanation for why Richard doesn't seem to have aged? He looked the same age when Ben was little as he does now. Or was that just a poor makeup job?
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#296510 - 18/05/2007 17:56
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Nikki and Paulo were originally supposed to be part of a longer storyarc
Wow, that is surprising.
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#296511 - 18/05/2007 18:30
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Nikki and Paulo were originally supposed to be part of a longer storyarc
Wow, that is surprising.
Not really. They'd already pulled the "doomed supplementary castaway" card before with Arnst. I figured they would want to bring more cast members into the mix, considering the number of people who have died. Heck, the only tail section member who's still alive (and not an Other) is Bernard, and even he and Rose were so absent this season I started trying to remember if they'd been killed off or not. Were they even in season three before last week's episode?
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#296512 - 18/05/2007 18:33
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Yeah, I've been wondering about Richard's constant appearance. I think it's entirely deliberate - he doesn't age.
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#296513 - 18/05/2007 19:04
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I have no explanation, but it seems clearly intentional to me. Current day, Ben and Richard appear to be more-or-less the same age, with Ben probably being older (in reality, the actor playing Ben is 13 years older than the actor playing Richard) and they chose to use a kid for young Ben. There are two theories that readily present themselves. One is that the Richard from the flashback is the father of the current Ben. The other is that Richard doesn't age. I don't really like either of those options, as there's no basis for either one, what with on-island births being problematic and no precedent for lack of aging. I'm kind of inclined to guess that Richard might be a clone. It might make sense that their research into pregnancy might tie in with research into cloning. Also, the fact that Richard would be a more senior member of the group by a long shot, yet is deferential to Ben would indicate to me that it's not the same character. It's also possible that the Richard in the US is not the Richard on the Island, though I don't know what that would imply.
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#296514 - 18/05/2007 19:12
Re: Lost on 5/16
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They'd already pulled the "doomed supplementary castaway" card before with Arnst.
Arzst was the reason we were shouting "RED. SHIRTS." at Nikki and Paulo.  They appeared on the scene in much the same way that he did.
His death was much funnier, though. Theirs was just a cheap attempt at creepy.
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#296515 - 19/05/2007 04:43
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Actually, they were killed off due to bad fan reaction.
Yeah, but you gotta love the way that they were taken out.
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#296516 - 19/05/2007 09:49
Re: Lost on 5/16
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Theirs was just a cheap attempt at creepy.
Not so cheap for me, at the end of that episode I took a big gasp! I really liked that one, it made enduring Nikki/Paulo through the beginning of the season totally worth it.
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Well, the producers of Lost have gone on record many times to say:
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gur fheivibef ner abg nyernql qrnq, gurl'er abg va chetngbel, rgp
Talking about cheap, I'm so glad for that. That idea would make quite a pathetic end to it all imho. I'm really hoping for something a lot better than that.
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#296517 - 19/05/2007 12:37
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it made enduring Nikki/Paulo through the beginning of the season totally worth it.
What was your problem with them? Yeah, it seemed a little odd that we had two new speaking Survivor roles, but so what?
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#296518 - 19/05/2007 14:54
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Oh, I'm not against the decision to bring in some new characters to the story at all. Some fresh blood wouldn't go amiss in a few of the episodes. What annoyed me about Nikki/Paulo until their last episode was that they seemed so useless. They simply didn't seem to add anything to the story. We didn't know anything about them and they didn't really have a backstory to explain where they came from until the very end. They felt like a couple of extras who came out of nowhere and tagged along.
Having said that, their last episode had some nice insight to the pair and showed their character too. I wish they did that earlier I guess.
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#296519 - 20/05/2007 02:30
Re: Lost on 5/16
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it made enduring Nikki/Paulo through the beginning of the season totally worth it.
What was your problem with them? Yeah, it seemed a little odd that we had two new speaking Survivor roles, but so what?
I didn't have as negative a reaction to them as most, but I thought the way they were brought in wasn't handled very well. Maybe the writers thought the fans would find it funny if two of the survivors suddenly had speaking parts (very sudden - they just start saying "where's Jack?" and bam! - you've got two new characters).
I always thought it would have been cool to start an episode off in flashback mode, but we don't recognize anyone in it. Then, right before the opening title, we see it's two survivors we've never met before.
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#296520 - 29/05/2007 02:05
Re: Lost on 5/16
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OK, well my wife has been out of town and I have not been allowed to watch Lost in her absence. We just caught up tonight.
What a crazy finale. Jack is not looking too pretty good.
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Qb lbh guvax gurl ner tbvat gb fgneg fjvgpuvat gb synfu sbejneqf engure guna synfu onpxf?
Nyfb, jura Wnpx fnvq gb trg uvf sngure qbja gurer gb frr jub jnf zber qehax, jnf guvf uvz orvat uvtu naq zrffrq hc, be vf uvf qnq fbzrubj nyvir va gur shgher?
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#296521 - 29/05/2007 10:24
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Great episode. So much for the complaints that they never reveal anything!
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V'ir orra jbaqrevat nobhg n fjvgpu gb synfu-sbejneqf nf jryy (nyyn Gur Avar). Vg frrzf yvxr gurl'ir pbirerq fb znal bs gur punenpgref' onpx fgbevrf gung gurer jbhyqa'g or zhpu zber gb rkcyber gurer, fb frrvat jung gurve yvsr jnf yvxr nsgre gur vfynaq frrzf yvxr n tbbq vqrn.
V nyfb yvxr gur pyhrf gung gur "synfuonpxf" jrer gur shgher. Gur anzr bs gur shareny ubzr gung Wnpx tbrf gb vf na nantenz sbe "synfu sbejneq," naq ur'f hfvat n pryy cubar guebhtubhg gur rcvfbqr gung bayl pnzr bhg guvf lrne.
Fb jub qb lbh guvax vf ba gur obng? Zl thrff jnf Qunezn.
Bu jryy, gurer'f gbaf bs dhrfgvbaf naq jr'er tbvat gb unir gb jnvg nobhg rvtug zbaguf sbe nafjref. Penc.
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#296522 - 29/05/2007 11:15
Re: Lost on 5/16
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If they switch to doing flash forwards (ala The Nine), I may stop watching the series.
The finale was OK, but the whole flash forward business was just crap. Previously, the flash backs could be used to explain the character's state of mind and thoughts they were having at the time. I don't like the idea of the island being set in the past. That takes away the concept of change and pretty much sets everything in stone (anything that's revealed in a flash forward anyway).
The whole funeral thing was a cheap stunt and I hope they just completely abandon that forward arc/device next season.
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