#226677 - 12/07/2004 14:13
Survey-Backing up your music
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addict
Registered: 18/08/2002
Posts: 544
Loc: New Jersey
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With memory getting cheap there is the motivation to increase the capacity of the Empeg with bigger hard drives. Along with that comes more songs. And to top it all off is the heartbreak of having the system/HD crash with the data becoming unretrievable!
So, how does one go about backing up all of the music on the Empeg so as to make it easy to upload it once again?
(I have all of my ripped CD's still stored on my PC, but I would have to recreate all of my playlists to replicate my current setup)
Ed
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#226678 - 12/07/2004 14:35
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: edsmiata]
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journeyman
Registered: 02/07/2004
Posts: 95
Loc: 384400 km from the Moon
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Backing up? What about syncing?
I keep all of the MP3s on a firewire hard drive. Would be nice if JEmplode was able to store a local copy of uploaded playlist in the same format as on the empeg. For this however, other MP3 player programs are not designed to read FIDs. Or, if the JEmplode could just associate a playlist with the existing files. That would be the ideal situation.
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#226679 - 12/07/2004 15:11
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: peakmop]
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Registered: 18/08/2002
Posts: 544
Loc: New Jersey
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Well, is syncing the same as backing up? i guess the best alternative would be to go full circle...burn your data from the empeg back onto a RW-CD or DVD...thus no fear of the drive being erased (either the empeg or PC) and the cd/dvd can then be stored safely away! 
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#226680 - 12/07/2004 15:15
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: edsmiata]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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FWIW, I haven't found a sane way of representing an Empeg's contents in a Windows filesystem (no symlinks, and none of the playlist formats are nestable). I keep my music collection on a Linux filesystem, with playlists represented by symlink farms. This means I can rsync them to a remote location as a backup, and can use emptool's "upload -p -r" to put them on the player (er, except I don't do that, I use something more resembling Pim's mp3tofid thing).
Peter
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#226681 - 12/07/2004 18:01
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: peakmop]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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I just had a random idea from reading your post. Anyone up for writitng a Samba VFS plugin to translate empeg FIDs into a virtual file system structure with .mp3 filenames?
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#226682 - 12/07/2004 18:05
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: drakino]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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Quote:
I just had a random idea from reading your post. Anyone up for writitng a Samba VFS plugin to translate empeg FIDs into a virtual file system structure with .mp3 filenames?
BTDTGTTS (though it was never very stable)
Peter
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#226683 - 16/07/2004 13:16
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: peter]
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Registered: 14/11/2000
Posts: 474
Loc: The Hague, the Netherlands
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Cool! Are you sharing this code with us?
Thanks,
Pim
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#226684 - 16/07/2004 13:21
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: pim]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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Cool! Are you sharing this code with us?
No, it was all very experimental. And I bet it doesn't even compile against Samba 3 -- at the time I was writing it, the Samba folks were breaking the API every patchlevel, let alone every major version. Nor, frankly, was it exactly what Drakino was saying: Pogues is a Linux PC, not a car-player.
Like the Linux Rio Receiver server daemon I had at Amersfoort, it shares a lot of Rio Music Manager's media library code, which Rio is in no way inclined to start handing out. In the Empeg days we might have considered a binary-only release, but it's just not as simple as that any more 
Peter
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#226685 - 16/07/2004 13:34
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: pim]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
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The player kernel could simply be rebuilt with NFS configured (it's in the sources now), which gives this functionality for all OSs except for one specific brand..
Cheers
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#226686 - 16/07/2004 14:04
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: peter]
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addict
Registered: 14/11/2000
Posts: 474
Loc: The Hague, the Netherlands
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Pogues is a Linux PC, not a car-player.
This is exactly what I had it in mind for. I use mp3tofid to sync tunes
from my home Linux PC to the player. Then, at work, I sync them to
another Linux PC as a backup (I own that PC ...).
I'm using a shell script to build a link farm from the fid files
to the original names. and export that using samba.
A VFS module would eliminate the need for that, and provide
soup views on top of that.
I do have a streaming server that works directly off the FID's,
which shows playlists exactly as on the player. But this does
not work as well as I want.
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Like the Linux Rio Receiver server daemon I had at Amersfoort, it shares a lot of Rio Music Manager's media library code, which Rio is in no way inclined to start handing out. In the Empeg days we might have considered a binary-only release, but it's just not as simple as that any more
Fair enough.
Pim
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#226687 - 16/07/2004 17:09
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: edsmiata]
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enthusiast
Registered: 12/05/2002
Posts: 205
Loc: Virginia, USA
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At this point, I keep all of my music on a hard drive on one of my computers. I keep everything in FLAC format so it takes up approx. 180GB. I have yet to back that up, bu my plan is to get another large drive and sync the 2 drives whenever I update my music library. Also, I've been playing around with the idea of using RAID 1 to mirror the archive. Not sure yet.
The CD or even the DVD backup method is not very proactical for me since my archive is so large. I guess I'm too much of a purist to keep an mp3 achive instead!
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#226688 - 17/07/2004 22:47
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: edsmiata]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
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I FTP all fids on my PC (Windows). I sync them periodically. FIDs on my PC are not (easily) playable, but I don't plan to do so. My main MP3 collection is in the empeg, and it will stay there until something better than the empeg is in the market.
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#226689 - 20/07/2004 06:50
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: edsmiata]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
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My backup of everything is a distributed worm storage in multiple global locations - okay, I burn everything to CD and send to my relatives in the north of Scotland and Australia  90% of my empeg content is from CDs I still own, so they just live in the attic. Some of my mp3's are on my backup empeg, but I will need to look into adding another drive at some point to keep up. In fact I think it's on one of the 2.0 betas with a pre v300 hijack! Must upgrade....
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#226690 - 20/07/2004 14:27
Re: Survey-Backing up your music
[Re: frog51]
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addict
Registered: 10/01/2001
Posts: 630
Loc: Windsor, Ontario Canada
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My music server HDD recently crapped out. It expedited my plan to get off my lazy butt and do a backup . All of my mp3s are now safely deposited on DVDs...
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