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#176405 - 28/08/2003 10:52 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: tfabris]
wfaulk
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#176406 - 28/08/2003 10:53 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: wfaulk]
Roger
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What he said. It rocks.
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#176407 - 28/08/2003 10:58 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: wfaulk]
tfabris
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Cool, a bootable ISO image. Nice. Burning now. Thanks, guys!
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#176408 - 28/08/2003 11:01 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: Roger]
wfaulk
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One of the cool things about it (and this is not really about Memtest, even though it factors into it) is that there exists a Linux kernel patch that makes it reliably use bad memory by avoiding the bad spots. Oftentimes, memory goes bad in such a way as to cause only particular offsets to fail, and you can use Memtest to find those bad spots and produce the correct configuration information to then tell Linux to not use those areas of memory. And it's a pretty slick solution, too; it just allocates those areas of memory in the kernel as if they were being used as data and then never uses or releases them.

Anyway, not really about Memtest, but it talks about it in the Memtest config, so I get reminded every time it's brought up.
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#176409 - 28/08/2003 11:59 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: wfaulk]
peter
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One of the cool things about it (and this is not really about Memtest, even though it factors into it) is that there exists a Linux kernel patch that makes it reliably use bad memory by avoiding the bad spots. Oftentimes, memory goes bad in such a way as to cause only particular offsets to fail, and you can use Memtest to find those bad spots and produce the correct configuration information to then tell Linux to not use those areas of memory. And it's a pretty slick solution, too; it just allocates those areas of memory in the kernel as if they were being used as data and then never uses or releases them.
That's definitely cool, but you've got to reckon that nowadays it's a technology whose time has come and gone.

(Oooh, can we have a "when I were a lad" thread? Can we? Can we?)

When I were a lad, RAM upgrades for A540s cost UKP400 for 4Mb, because the memory architecture was such that a new memory controller chip was needed for each 4Mb. We Archimedes users jealously eyed PC users whose RAM came in commodity SIMMs, and for the sizes anyone would actually need (4Mb, 8Mb) cost about UKP25 per Mb. Then the RiscPC came out, and it took two standard SIMMs up to 128Mb each. Atomwide published SIMM prices all the way up to 64Mb, and also offered 128Mb SIMMs. They didn't publish the price for 128Mb SIMMs, but did say that if you bought two 128Mb SIMMs they'd throw in a free RiscPC worth UKP1500 to put them in.

And nowadays Scan are flogging off 64Mb SIMMs at UKP9.50 and 128Mb SIMMs at UKP10. Mapping out bad RAM blocks just isn't worth the candle...

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#176410 - 28/08/2003 12:37 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: peter]
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Oooh, can we have a "when I were a lad" thread? Can we? Can we?)

Nooo... Please, nooo!!!

(when I were a lad, memory size was in K's, not M's. Or for micros, in *bytes*, not K's. And some of it was ferrite core, not semiconductor!)

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#176411 - 28/08/2003 12:51 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: peter]
genixia
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(Oooh, can we have a "when I were a lad" thread? Can we? Can we?)


And nowadays Scan are flogging off 64Mb SIMMs at UKP9.50 and 128Mb SIMMs at UKP10


Is SIMM a new brand of winchester that I hadn't previously heard of? My 10MB fileserver is getting full.
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#176412 - 28/08/2003 17:01 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: tfabris]
Dignan
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Memtest is absolutley great. It was very useful in diagnosing any problems I might have had with my first set of memory sticks. This turned out to be a lot, as I got many errors all throughout the test. Those sticks were really bad. My current set gets no errors.
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#176413 - 28/08/2003 18:04 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: peter]
tman
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Ah yes. I've got a whole bag of 1MB SIMMs. If I could only time travel back about 10 years and then I'd be rich! Muhahaha...

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#176414 - 28/08/2003 20:16 Re: Speccing out a new PC [Re: peter]
wfaulk
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you've got to reckon that nowadays it's a technology whose time has come and gone.
As I remember, it's actually a fairly new patch and was intended for those platforms where memory is harder to come by. Of course, that means that Memtest86 is not very useful in such cases, but you could also conceivably use that unwarranted bad RAM you've got lying about that you already replaced and nearly double your memory for ``free''.
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