I just installed Jaguar on a computer here at work. First thing I did was drag my music folder into the iPod library. After waiting for a while, it began copying files. I was like, "what the hell?". After a little bit, it gave me an error that I had run out of disk space.

Only after doing some searching did I find that iPod automatically makes copies of the files into it's own folder in order to "centralize" your music files. Luckily, there's an option to turn the copying off. What a pain, though. I had to go find where it had made the copies and delete them.

Oh, true. That was the first thing I ever turned off in iTunes, even before they released the iPod, as I had all my music, as I said, on a networked drive specifically so I wouldn't have to copy it all over the place. But it works as I said, assuming you turn that feature off.

Are you copying it off of a networked drive? Local files on mine are insanely fast. Unfortunately, very few of my mp3s are local to a Mac.

Does MusicMatch work with the 5GB iPod? Regardless, I currently have no PC with a FireWire connection, so I'd have no way to comment. (I haven't used MusicMatch in probably about three years, anyway. It was the first program that made me realize I didn't like the concept of a program-specific database for my mp3s.)

No, directly from my hard drive, I wonder what gives? It is my secondary hard drive, buut that shouldn't make a difference, right?

It shouldn't. What OS are you using? I'm using MacOS X, and I can believe that the I/O throughput on an OS9 machine might be much less.

I'm on a PC using Win 2000 Pro. Maybe that's the problem?

Oh. I have absolutely no experience with either an iPod or FireWire on a PC.

PS: I am about to overtake you on Shines... Okay-go!

I need to get the USA version and start playing again.

Does MusicMatch work with the 5GB iPod?

I assume you mean the iPods released prior to the official Windows version?

My understanding is that at the moment, you won't be able to use MusicMatch to do transfers from your PC. Apple does plan to release a patch, however, so that older iPods will work with PCs. Not sure the timeline on this. I'm sure Apple will announce something.

I'm on a PC using Win 2000 Pro. Maybe that's the problem?

I sure hope that isn't the problem because that is the exact platform I plan to use my iPod on as well. (the day I'll finally be able to buy it that is. Yesterday the distributor delayed the date of receiving stock again, the fourth time already, for a complete fortnight this time. )

If you solve this issue, please let me know.

Archeon,

I'm not really sure this is an issue, I just expected it to be way faster the way everyone raved about it. For example, I transfered 18.2gb in 1hr 24mins. That's not too bad, but I had heard stories of 15gb in 6mins, etc... I was expecting more speed!

That's indeed not bad, but also not the speed I was expecting. I heard that it was possible to fill the 20gig model in about half an hour.

Could anybody who uses their iPod's with a Mac (that will probably be most of you ) give some more info about the speed they're seeing while transfering ? How long does it take to completely fill your iPod?

Thanks!

Oh. I have absolutely no experience with either an iPod or FireWire on a PC.

Unfortunately, neither had I, until this past weekend. My dad's ipod shipped last Thursday, and since he was down he asked me for help installing a firewire card that he had just gotten. I was afraid, because his Dell runs WinME, which is horrible. Well, turns out that it caused all kinds of problems for us. I'll detail them in case any of you go through it, because looking around the web, some other folk have as well.

So we install the card. Turn on the computer. The add new hardware screen comes up. We start installing drivers. UH OH! It can't find a file. It can't find another file. And another. About 10 in total. We just tell it to skip them all and install it anyway. So everything finishes and the system page shows that the computer thinks the card is some sort of network adapter. We try uninstalling several times and repeating, but it's too late. The computer won't think the card is anything else.

After MUCH frustration, a return and replacement of the card, experiencing the same problems again (because we couldn't find the files it wanted), we finally tried the option of "picking the device from a list". We selected 1394 OHCI or something, and everything worked. It even foud the files it wanted.

I guess ME just hates firewire cards or something, because it had a hell of a lot of difficulty with it. Oh well.

Interesting. Though I'll probably won't have those problems since I plan on using the (already installed) firewire port on my SB Audigy.

How fast are the speeds you're getting while uploading files to the iPod on winME?

I had the same thing happen to me while installing my IEEE1394 card on Win 2000 Pro. Tried a few times to get it to install the way the card mfg sugested and then did it the way you finally did it and it worked. I doubt that has anything to do with the speed still.

Firewire *is* a kind of network card.

Calvin

I'm curious, what is the smallest, but functional, Mp3 player?

Calvin

You can do networking over firewire but firewire itself doesn't emulate a network card.

- Trevor

Firewire *is* a kind of network card.

Fair enough, but the point is that it wasn't supposed to be listed as a network adapter, and it was in the same section as his ethernet adapter and stuff.

I still say WinME is a crap OS, so I doubt a lot of people will disagree with that one.


And he hasn't gotten the player yet. His order shipped last Thursday, we were getting everything set up for its arrival. So we don't know what speeds he's getting.

What operating system are you running? If you're running Windows XP, go to control panel, then double click on Network Connections.

What do you see?

On the system I had with a firewire card in a PCI slot, there was a solid horizontal line dividing the space into two parts: ethernet networking and firewire networking.

In the system with firewire built into the motherboard, there is "local area network, realtek" (ethernet) "1394 connection net adapter" (firewire).

As I understand it every decide on the firewire bus has an identification, same as ethernet. So ... what are you saying?

Calvin

Actually, it *is* supposed to be in the same section as the ethernet adapter. In Windows XP. Dunno about WinMe though.

Calvin

That is still TCP/IP over Firewire. If you remove or disable the "1394 net adapter" from Windows XP all of your other Firewire devices will still work that don't rely on using TCP/IP over Firewire.

There is a different interface depending on what type of device you're trying to talk to. SBP-2 is for harddisks and DVD style drives. IEC61883-1 is for audio transmission over Firewire.

It's true that each device on the bus has a different address on the bus. You still need another layer on top that provides the necessary interfaces. Nothing to stop you talking to another PC using a raw isosynchronous channel apart from the lack of a driver. Or whatever protocol that takes your fancy.

I'm using Windows XP as well and I do have the 1394 Net Adapter listed. I've also got a OHCI compliant 1394 host controller listed seperately which is the actual hardware device itself. Anything else is a virtual device.

- Trevor

WinME is a pile of crap to be honest. The default Dell installation is especially flakey. If you've got the time and the proper install media it is a much better idea to wipe it clean and reinstall from scratch.

Not sure what Dell does to it exactly but I've always had terrible trouble with the default install. It could be because they've got a vaguely standard HD image which they clone onto all of their PCs and then customise it from there. This standard image has extra cruft which affects the PC.

- Trevor

Hey guys,

I found this review of the iPod which directly compared Firewire speeds between the Mac and PC. From the article:

"The transfer speeds via FireWire on the PC, while very fast compared to Universal Serial Bus 1.1 players, are still noticeably slower than Apple's implementation of FireWire on the Mac.

In one test, I transferred nearly 1,600 songs to a Mac iPod in 14 minutes. The PC iPod received the same songs in 32 minutes. "

I wonder if that's due to the software implementation, or if they just had a crappy FireWire card in the PC.

If it's in the software, that's a good basis for a conspiracy theory. Jobs tells his engineers developing the PC version of the software to slow it down just a bit...

Hou Hou Hou....(it should sound like a kind of Santa Claus)...

I read all the posts today....my first thought was..uhmm...how do you dare to compare an state of the art machine like the iPod with absolute crappy items like the Archos JB or Nomad JB or Rio Rot (this last one is a bit less crappy maybe, don't know).

Both are MP3 players and an Honda Civic and a Porsche Boxter are also both cars. Of course you can put a 300 HP engine in a Honda Civic but it's still not a Porsche (to the critics of Hard disc space).

The interface of the iPod is superb for me. Of course it could better, but it's much better still than the competitors. You should take a look at this product thinking that it was developed for Apple users in mind. Apple users don't usually need to know about complicated configurations, registry tricks, dll's and memory conflicts or installation problems of stupid stone age [censored] OS like guindows.

You have to see that Apple take "care" of the normal user, that one how doesn't have a clou about all the stuff you speak about here everyday, man wir freaks for them. The real people out there just want to use it. So you buy your Apple Machine with OS X which have iTunes, you put a CD convert it to MP3, plug in the iPod and it syncronises automatically, and it works fine!!! that's it, what's wrong with that?

'normal' users, don't give a [censored] if the code is open source? of if the wheel makes danm 'clicks' or not? or it is 20 [censored] gr heavier than the older version? or a 1/7 of an inch wider or whatever it just pure simplicity and design and what they want. Guys, Apple sold 150.000 of this machines in the first three months!

iTunes?...iTunes is for me one of the best MP3 tools I ever used, and you know why? because is damn easy! and does everything I need and pretty well. Yes, I like it and very much. So as I love most things from Apple, they are beautiful, easy to use, well design and they work. I just wished the Empeg and Emplode convination could be so good as the iPod and iTunes convination which I find superb.

What you need three days to install a bloody Firewire card on a guindows machine? what you use stone age Win 2K or XP? well, do you really care about quality? or do you care about quantity? I personaly change from guindows to Apple 5 months ago and I wished I did it 10 years ago!

Um, we had other threads discussing religion over in "Off Topic."

Tony

well this thread has been a Religion's Off-Topic since the very first beginning........IMHO :-)