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#191851 - 04/12/2003 10:24 Beautiful animated film
mschrag
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For those who don't read Penny Arcade (are there any? if so, shame on you):

http://wonderfuldays.co.kr/english/

... "wow" is all I can say.

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#191852 - 04/12/2003 11:49 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: mschrag]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
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Loc: Leeds, UK
Wow this looks amazing !!!

Any idea of where I get it in the UK ??? I've found www.yesasia.com will export it to me, buy with the import tax will end up costing me big time

Cheers

Cris.

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#191853 - 04/12/2003 14:23 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: mschrag]
drakino
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I really wish more American animation studios could survive in this space. Too many people here just see something like that, go "cartoon" and skip it.

Titan AE is a good example of this. Very beautiful film, but caused Fox to close the animation studios they created for this film. While the story wasn't perfect, it sucks that the poor sales for it ended up killing potential future animated movies.

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#191854 - 04/12/2003 14:33 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: drakino]
wfaulk
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And it's too bad none of the shows in the animation boom of the mid-'90s took a dramatic tack. Personally, I find it interesting in that direction that there's very little about King of the Hill that requires animation. It could just as easily be live-action, but they decided to animate it anyway.
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#191855 - 04/12/2003 15:01 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Cris]
Attack
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I ordered mine from YesAsia.com since it was the only place that sold it almost 3 months ago.
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#191856 - 04/12/2003 15:17 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: mschrag]
trs24
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Registered: 20/03/2002
Posts: 729
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
That does look amazing. I'm curious, though. Is there no dialogue in the film? They showed an awful lot of clips in that trailer for there not to have been any dialogue.

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#191857 - 04/12/2003 15:36 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: trs24]
mschrag
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I read a review that said the dialogue is Korean, so maybe they wanted an international-friendly trailer ... Apparently the story is actually really lame but it sure does look great ...

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#191858 - 04/12/2003 15:37 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Attack]
mschrag
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... meanig you have seen it? How is the film itself?

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#191859 - 04/12/2003 15:39 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: mschrag]
Dignan
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I'm not sure what you guys are seeing, but I'm not very impressed by that preview. I don't see anything paticularly stellar about the hand animation, and the rest is computer generated. I've been watching a hell of a lot of anime lately, and the film looks to be on par with the average animation quality of your typical anime show.

I don't know, maybe it's because I just watched "Spirited Away," which is just so far and away the best animated movie I've ever seen, that my barometer is a bit off. I might also just dislike the animation mix that they're using, or it could be the low quality of the video.

I do agree with America's view on animation. However, I think there are a lot of good things happening as well. Futurama did well despite Fox's extremely poor treatment of it, and that was some of the best animation on television. Samurai Jack is doing quite well, and that's good as well.

I couldn't agree more about King of the Hill. The animation is unnecessary, intentionally simple and boring, and the show isn't even very funny. I definitely get discouraged about American animation when I think about that show, but then I think about the good ones and it's OK again
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#191860 - 04/12/2003 15:40 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: trs24]
Dignan
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Is there no dialogue in the film? They showed an awful lot of clips in that trailer for there not to have been any dialogue
But the lack of speach makes it more dramatic! And it is definitely in excess of drama.
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#191861 - 04/12/2003 16:04 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Dignan]
trs24
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Registered: 20/03/2002
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Loc: Palo Alto, CA
I might also just dislike the animation mix that they're using
I actually have to agree with you there. I thought the computer animation did not match up well at all with the hand-drawn animation.

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#191862 - 04/12/2003 16:05 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Dignan]
wfaulk
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I couldn't agree more about King of the Hill. The animation is unnecessary, intentionally simple and boring, and the show isn't even very funny. I definitely get discouraged about American animation when I think about that show, but then I think about the good ones and it's OK again
Actually, I was paying it a compliment, at least as far as trying to expand the audience. The Simpsons is almost as adult-oriented, but it reads more like a parody of children's animation, as do most other adult-oriented cartoons. But KotH is a straight-up sitcom. I think that's important, and it's as important that it's successful.

I happen to think it's pretty funny, too.
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#191863 - 04/12/2003 16:12 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: wfaulk]
Dignan
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Ah, I see. By "interesting" I suppose I could have taken it either way. I just happened to take it the way I thought of it

I watched several episodes, and I think I just found it boring.


Edited by DiGNAN17 (04/12/2003 16:13)
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#191864 - 04/12/2003 16:14 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Dignan]
wfaulk
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Our culture does. My point is that the further you get away from that stereotype, the less convicing that stereotype becomes.
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#191865 - 04/12/2003 16:54 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Dignan]
mschrag
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Surprisingly, it's not CG -- turns out most of it is miniatures, which I thought was pretty interesting (didn't find that out till a couple mins ago when I watched the behind-the-scenes).

While I admit it's not Spirited Away, which is great is every respect, the landscapes and backdrops in a lot of those scenes are really beautiful. Of course, now I know they are almost all miniature, but the artistry of those miniatures is pretty amazing too .. And knowing that, it's a pretty slick job of compositing different media together for an overall tonal effect.

"It just looks pretty"

ms

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#191866 - 04/12/2003 16:58 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Dignan]
Attack
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I downloaded the WMV high quality file and that just looks like CRAP. The BL DL of the full movie that I original watched it from looked great on a projector with a 110 inch screen. I was so impressed I bought the sound track and the DVD because I want this company to make more.

I will try to make a short clip of the good parts from the DVD over the weekend.
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#191867 - 04/12/2003 17:03 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: mschrag]
Attack
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I enjoyed the movie, but the main reason I enjoyed it was I knew nothing about it the first time I watched it. Oh the DVD has English sub titles.

I am playing on watching it again once I can get a few friends over for a full day of movie watching.
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#191868 - 04/12/2003 17:23 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: mschrag]
Dignan
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That does make it a little more interesting.

And I'm not suprised if it's mostly due to the quality of the video file. It really is pretty bad.
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#191869 - 05/12/2003 03:47 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Dignan]
drakino
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I do agree with America's view on animation. However, I think there are a lot of good things happening as well. Futurama did well despite Fox's extremely poor treatment of it, and that was some of the best animation on television. Samurai Jack is doing quite well, and that's good as well.

But everything doing well fits into the standard mold of what most would consider a cartoon. Something funny. Or something childish. I want american animated shows like Cowboy Bebop, or movies like Princess Mononoke.

At least Anime DVDs are becoming popular enough to make anime cheeper now. And the Japaneese market dosen't seem to be slowing down the output of these shows.

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#191870 - 05/12/2003 10:18 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: drakino]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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The problem with anime from those of us on the fringes of it is that it at least seems as if most Anime geeks care not for the quality of any part of the anime, from the animation itself, to the cinematography, to the plot, to the characterization, to voice acting, or to seemingly any element of it. They seem happier about something genuinely quality, but only marginally so. They go into an almost equal frenzy when they see some 2 cel-per-second poorly characterized soap opera.

(Speaking of cps, the combination of animation styles as referenced above bothers me more in the way that the cel rates differ between the two elements than in the mix of styles.)

While this is more of an indictment of those anime geeks, it also makes it difficult for the rest of us to find something quality. When Akira gets only slightly more praise than Boring Salaryman #48 OCV, it turns the rest of us off, for if Boring Salaryman is seemingly amongst the best, why should I waste my time watching something that's likely going to be worse?


Edited by wfaulk (05/12/2003 10:21)
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#191871 - 05/12/2003 12:41 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: drakino]
Dignan
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Well, perhaps if shows like Cowboy Bebop had a discernable plot, or made any sense, it would get more acceptance.

I shouldn't talk, though, since I've only begun to watch it. I haven't been too impressed so far, though. It may just be that it's not my type of anime show.
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#191872 - 05/12/2003 13:56 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: mschrag]
loren
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#191873 - 05/12/2003 15:15 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: loren]
mschrag
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damn .. way cooler than my post That video of it is awesome!

Is this for sale?

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#191874 - 05/12/2003 16:02 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: mschrag]
loren
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Nope, i think it's going to be released in theatres in New York and LA soon... not sure about nationwide release. I want to see it purely for the scenes of the waiter... sooo awesome.
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#191875 - 14/12/2003 07:41 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Dignan]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
I have just watched Spirited Away on DiGNAN17's recomendation. I'm blown away !!! What am amazing film !!!

I couldn't get hold of a copy of Wonderful Days so I downloaded it. Not that impressed really, sure it looks nice, but Spirited Away's story is on a level all of it's own. Well worth the money it cost me to import it.

Cheers

Cris.

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#191876 - 14/12/2003 15:36 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: Cris]
Dignan
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Sorry, I didn't mean to back Wonderful Days, especially by comparing it to something like Spirited Away. I'll try it out as well if I get a chance.
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#191877 - 14/12/2003 19:56 Re: Beautiful animated film [Re: loren]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
Just found out it's coming to one of our local theaters ... Can't wait ...

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