How many people go to a doughnut shop for a smoke??

When I lived in New England (Walpole, MA), the Dunkin' Donuts was the hangout for the Alcohol Anon folks. It was just like a bar for them, except they all drank coffee and smoked sitting inside until the town got the no smoking ordnance passed. The DD was dead at night after that...

Thanks for the link.

MAKE IT STOP OHHH PLEASE MAKE THIS THREAD STOP!!!!

I've a title for a horror movie,

"The thread that wouldn't DIE"

Colorado now has temporary laws in place stating that drivers may only smoke with all windows up, and nothing is disposed of out the window. Also, no smoking outside except in enclosed areas. Campgrounds are locked down to small gas cooking now.

I definitly understand the reasoning behind it, and think anyone caught breaking this should be taken in, and held responsible for their actions. "We'll let you off easy and only make you pay 1% of the fire damage and control fees." Aka, still probably $10,000 minimum.

Not sure where this is specificially (state wide or in a few counties), just herd it from someone watching the news. The fires we have had already have been way higher then the normal for this time of year, and the drought is just getting worse. For once, we might have more fires to pay attention to in this state instead of lending help in surrounding states.

"The thread that wouldn't DIE"

The best way to kill a thread is to simply stop feeding the trolls.



Although I will admit that in this particular thread, I am guilty of throwing a few morsels out. Sorry.

If I come to your house and tell you to change your air-freshener cause I don't like how the current one smells, are you being
selfish if you choose to not to change it?

Depends.

Since you like to reason by analogy, let's extend the point. If your air freshener (or by extension, toxic waste, or excessively loud music, or noisy/vicious dogs, or procession of crack-heads visiting your home at all hours to buy drugs, etc.) is extreme enough to damage me or reduce the value of my property -- then I have not only the right but the neighborly duty to request that you change your behavior.

Freedom and rights of ownership extend only to the point where you are not causing harm to other people. It is pretty hard to meet that criterion when it comes to using tobacco.

tanstaafl.

I'm just gonna start cut and pasting my previous posts.

Let's say that you open your home to the general public, meaning you'll allow anyone who wants to come in to come in (let's say you're having a garage sale or something). I decide to go in your house and I am allergic to cats (they'll get me really sick). I go in your house and see you have cats, now do I have a right to legally have your cats removed so that I can enter your home, which you so graciously invited me to do? Afterall, it's not illegal nor wrong to own a cat, yet they have a negative effect on my health. Yes or no?

It's hard to meet the criterion on that one, taanstafl. Well?

eternalsun, you wanna take a crack at that one, too?

Actually, a friend of mine was telling me the other day how his gf was dealing with a guy that owned a well. He was nice enough to make it public so that everyone in the community could drink from HIS well for free. There was then a study that found that there were high levels of toxins in the well. (high being unacceptable to the health board, not that the water was glowing or anything, or that anyone was even getting sick). Guess what he was FORCED to do? Put a $35,000 filtration system on his free well. So in effect, he was fined $35,000 for his gacious gesture. He wasn't FORCING anyone to drink, but there it was.

Personally I believe this is inane, but -=shrug=- Whatcha gonna do?

do I have a right to legally have your cats removed so that I can enter your home, which you so graciously invited me to do?

No.

But if you engage in activities that cause me harm when I am not on your property (like dumping toxic waste in your backyard that contaminates my drinking water supply, or playing music so loud that it disturbs me in my own home down the street, or keeping noisy/vicious dogs that get loose and endanger my safety, etc.) then I have a right to complain.

I guess it comes down to this: you can do whatever you like on your own property, as long as your actions do not endanger people who are not on your property. To carry the example to a ludicrous extreme, you may well be entitled to own your own bazooka so you can do target practice in your back yard. But if those rockets escape the confines of your property, then that would not be acceptable.

tanstaafl.

Right. I completely agree.

Yeah, that's pretty messed up. They wouldn't let him just cut off his neighbors' access to the well?

Thanks!


/Fredrik

MAKE IT STOP OHHH PLEASE MAKE THIS THREAD STOP!!!!

Yes, isnt it fantastic that I managed to start this discussion... Dont really see how though...

/Fredrik

I quit.

Smoking?

That's great! See? This thread does serve a purpose!

Like I said, the idea of owners permission has gone out with civil rights and "whites only" signs.

Calvin

Ancient thread alert!

I rebuffed your characterization of North Carolina before, but I'm here to rerebuff.

Starting in January, it will no longer to be legal to smoke in North Carolina (public) bars or restaurants.

Welcome. As you can see, you're a little late for the party.