I was refering to the mustang as Im fairly certain it was an automatic. And the second sentence should make sense. When you are launching a car if you let off on the clutch too quick without giving sufficient gas your engine will bog down and if you let out on the clutch to fast with too much gas you will smoke the tires.

Here you go, squirrel. I hope it helps.

You're getting better already. Nice work!

Why dont you go outside and play hide and go fuc[k] yourself?

Not very funny, but I'll give you some points for originality.

BTW, not That I don't do it too, but rapid acceleration is considered "reckless operation of a motor vehicle." It sucks, but you can still get busted for it, no matter what the posted limit is.

Although I hesitate to further this rather asinine discussion, I’d like to believe the behavior displayed in the above posts is not representative of many 19-year-olds, if not even atypical of an on-the-whole mature group of people. I happen to personally know many such individuals.

As original-price riocar purchaser and a long-time empeg lurker since newsletter 12 (late ‘99, I think), I’d question the idea that mildly increased software development offsets the ill effects of the price slashing on the community as a whole. Up until recently, I’d at least skimmed every post in the general, technical, programming, and (now) the off-topic forums, plus many of the interesting thread from before I started reading this board. Now I really just can’t handle the volume shear noise. Ah well. At least my favorite toy is still getting better.

John

Geez, I can't believe how badly you guys are slamming Yz33d for commenting on burning rubber. How incredibly silly. It seems to me, on the matter of maturity, that it might be defined as the ability to step back and respond rationally and intelligently to situations or events that are found unpleasant or you don't agree with. The use of profanity to describe ones feelings or to define the actions you wish to convey certainly does descibe a persons intellectual and social state. I do believe there is a time and place for profanity, this isn't it.

I think it had nothing to do with burning rubber. It had more to do with the likely possibility that he has never burned rubber and wasn't contributing anything. Call it the straw that broke someone's patience....

Burning rubber is fun, but it doesn't mean "fast" and is often a sign of waste of power. Any human would get an instant grin when driving a car so powerful that it "floats" sideways when the tires lose their grip.

I thinks that just pure American for you, anyone can get a rush out of car that can melt the tires, even some one who knows that is doesnt mean true speed, it actually means loss of speed.

Wanting outlandish amounts of power, I believe is just the old american way.
Where else in the world do you find burnout contests? not drag races or anything else just burnouts, where people see who can melt their tires to the rims the fastest. moronic, but fun to watch.

So let me get this straight. For this statement:

"Personally, I like burning rubber. Maybe not at the dragstrip, but on the street, yes."

This is true:
1) "it had nothing to do with burning rubber"
2) "It had more to do with the likely possibility that he has never burned rubber"
3) "wasn't contributing anything"

And because of that I should be flamed, ridiculed, and put down. I think it's all pretty childish.

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not drag races or anything else just burnouts, where people see who can melt their tires to the rims the fastest. moronic, but fun to watch.

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I would like to state that I find this offensive to Morons. I am a moron and most morons do not believe in melting their tires to the rims. Riding up on people's lawns and taking out garden gnomes is another story.....

I remember the days of lawn gnome stealing/killing/running over/decapitating man those were the days.

Never taken out any garden knomes, but I have removed most of the grass from a yard and placed it on the front of their house.

Kind of Ironic because the whole reason I did it, was because I got blamed three weeks earlier for leaving ruts in one of my teachers yard, so I figured I might as well have something to be blamed for.

ah.... high school... where being a idiot was legal

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And because of that I should be flamed, ridiculed, and put down. I think it's all pretty childish.

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It's not really childish, and I'm not going to join in the flame war here. Most of us read all the posts and I think most of us have noticed you'v been posting a lot of things that well... really piss people off. Perhaps before you post something think to yourself "will this piss anybody off?" I know you might be inclined to say "who cares what people think... I post what I want", well everbody here for the most part cares what everyone else thinks. It's called consideration.... try excercising it, you'll find that the people here are pretty damn cool, even if they think a little differently. I'm not posting this specifically about this particular issue, just a lot of your posts recently have had very negative responses.

This forum is great for information, laughs and intelligent conversations.... it's no place for a big dick contest.

Cool - I'm glad someone thinks the Elise is the perfect mounting kit. Not got the Honda engine in mine just a supercharged Rover-K.
Think it's the other way round, the Empeg is perfect for the Elise as it doesn't jump with the Elises super-hard suspension and you don't have to find somewhere to find the CD changer.

Have you ever witnessed a 4 wheel burnout?

Calvin

Did you know regardless of speed limit, at least here in California, you can get ticketted for show of speed? If you screach the tires you can get ticketted for that, reckless driving, etc. If you're stoplight racing, even if well under the speed limit you can get seriously nailed. Of course, if you're in a stock 1987 BMW it's less of a attention grabber...

Calvin

It is like that pretty much anywhere, you just have to be smart about it. We had one spot we used to ge race on a nicely paved backroad, until it started getting busted because of all the people that would be out there. It also depends on the cops too, I know cops that will just laugh if you bark your tires and I know some that will pull you over and if you mouth off take you straight to jail for it

That's why I said ``less illegal''....

But I never spin my wheels intentionally. Why would I want to? It'd just make me go slower.

And if you're sitting at a stop light, it's easy to see whether there are any cops around.

Have you ever witnessed a 4 wheel burnout?

Does it count if it was in the snow?

What does the term sports car mean in the US? I just can't imagine how somebody could say that Japan has never produced a sports car.

Datsun 240Z
Mazda MX-5 (Miata), RX-7 RX-3, etc etc
Subaru SVX (more of a luxury tourer i guess)
Toyota MR2, Supra
Honda CRX, S2000
Mitisubishi (hmm can't think of any here, perhaps the lancer 1600GSR... not really a true sports car thou)

What was the Holden that was coming to the US? Was it the monaro? BTW australia != Asia. Holden is closer to a US automaker than a Asian automaker, given that it is owned by GM. Guess you were just categorising it as an import. But then European cars are imports too.

Mitsubishi - does a Lancer EVO count?
Subaru - WRX?
Nissan - Skyline GTR, 300ZX?

And yes I think they are looking very closely at the Monaro for the US.

Well i don't count a Lancer EVO or a WRX as a true sports car, because at heart they are standard mass-market sedan, most of the performance addons are done well after the car design is complete.
I'd call them performance sedans... yet somehow they feel to me, closer to a sports car, than say an HSV Clubsport.

Compare them to a Lotus Elise, Vaxhaul VX-220, Mazda MX-5..., and you'll see the differences, Every aspect of the car, from the moment of conception, was designed as a sports car. You don't have to be a small, opentop, 2 seater to be a sports car thou.

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No. Have you?

I have friend that got ticketed for drag racing at a stoplight. It would have cost over $700 and I think maybe a license suspension, but his dad's lawyer-girlfriend got it fixed down to an inspection violation.

All wheel drive is definitely more fun for launches and burnouts than rear wheel drive. If you can, try to get into a hopped up Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX doing a proper launch on a drag strip. Your body feels like an impact zone for a meteor. :-) It's hard to describe, like a large fist pummeling into your body. I've been in a Camaro SS launch, and it's very soft and gentle comparatively. :-)

Try it, you'll change your mind about import cars after that.

Calvin

To me, a sports car has to have 2 doors, no roof, manual gearbox, good looks and can be raced if you felt like it.

Calvin

Try it, you'll change your mind about import cars after that.

You should try living in a country where *every* car is an import. Then you tend to get less people who think <insert country of origin> is the only place that makes real cars.

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You should try living in a country where *every* car is an import. Then you tend to get less people who think <insert country of origin> is the only place that makes real cars.

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Well, most of the people I meet here in the states who are car people don't beleive in american cars. You'll get the odd corvette fan, but that's about it. Your results may varry if you were in Detroit instead of California, however.

Now, just to add more fuel to the fire by making rash generalizations, everyone here in the US still beleives that we make the best trucks.

Matthew

See, that just proves that everyone's opinion is different. (You comment saying no real sports car should have a roof). Many people I know consider sunroof's, convertables and the like (does anyone make a T-Top anymore?!) to be one of the most "un-sportscar" things you can do - they lessen the rigidity of the car. But then, many people say that the Miata is one of the best roadsters out there. Does it get the best numbers for salom or accelleration? No. But the car is more than the sum of its parts. But like I said, I'm a car guy in general. I got all giddy today when I found a prototype Lincoln Navigator in the parking lot (I've seen a lot of prototypes around here). I would never own an SUV and think that the Navigator is a waste of money. But I like seeing what is out there - especially design wise. I would kill for a ride in an 70's European Escort too. It is not all about race numbers, etc. Hell, I even rode in an Aztek to see what it was like!

I agree, I love to see anything new or just modified, no matter what it is, some are funny (Like the Ford Pinto I saw sitting on tractor tires) and some look good, and some are just all out fast. Most of which I would never own, but I still love to see. and especially where I live you dont see much, so I try to go to any car show I can.