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#74252 - 13/03/2002 07:17 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: Taym]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
>wfaulk, I was making a comment on Mark's post,
>I apologise if I was not clear in that.

>At to your specific request, that is keeping the player aware of
>"playlists" in several occasions, and have fuctions operating
>on them as a whole (next playlist, skip playlist, etc),
>well I totally agree

Oddly enough, that's exactly the point of mine that you quoted and then proceeded to trash in a very non-sympathetic fashion.

Make up your mind.

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#74253 - 13/03/2002 08:03 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: mlord]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
I am happy you found it non-sympathetic, since I just on purpose used the same (non-sympathetic) fashion you used in your post. Maybe then we agree on what is sympathetic and what is not!

However, going back on topic, I though your point was (quoting you):

dispense entirely with the "replace playlist" feature (the default, damnit!), and have the player *always* do insert or append when selecting a playlist from the menus. [...] Or, alternatively, have the player just continue with the next playlist in the database when the "current" playlist "ends".

Which is what I extensively commented on. If that was not your point, then you should make up your mind (and maybe be sympathetic? ) .
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#74254 - 13/03/2002 08:10 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: Taym]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
That's not the part you originally quoted, dork.

Cheers

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#74255 - 13/03/2002 08:53 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: mlord]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
Dork?!? Mark! This is hilarious! You've got a personality problem, I'm telling you! Listen you have to get used to criticism otherwise it's gonna get too easy and funny to drive you mad!

So, I see, your "next playlist concept" is NOT what you explained later in your message, but what I said commenting on it. Ok. So, let me suggest you to improve your English a little bit. Well, I admit I should really shut up on this, my English is really bad too, and I had to look on the dictionary what "dork" means.

Well, this is hilarious and also totally pathetic. My excuses to everybody for the way this thread degenerated. That was not in my intentions, at all. So, I think I'll stop here and avoid that Mark freaks out eben more and shuts down Hijack's website again, ok? No panic! ;D

= Dork =

Er...
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#74256 - 13/03/2002 08:59 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: Taym]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Now that's funny!

By the way.. for the British-impaired, Rob's posting (way back) was not completely serious..

Cheers

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#74257 - 13/03/2002 09:07 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: mlord]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
Well, we English-impaired know that. It is the serious part that you did not get, it seems, so again welcome to our club! Oops, I said I would stop! Sorry again everybody!
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#74258 - 13/03/2002 09:20 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: tfabris]
dclesse
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Registered: 31/01/2001
Posts: 112
Loc: Belgium/Luxembourg
Sorry Tony, what does ROFL mean?
It would be great if us&uk people can sometimes put some explanations about their slang or too technical english/american terms, cos guys like me doesn't understand all words of your beautiful language ;-)
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#74259 - 13/03/2002 09:42 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: wfaulk]
tms13
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Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
In reply to:

...to listen to all of your Pink Floyd albums in a row, but decide that you don't want to listen to Dark Side of the Moon right now, and skip over it to listen to Wish You Were Here without having to remember that DSotM contains ten tracks, and then pressing the FF button that many times.


I know the above is just an example, Bitt, but the way I deal with that is quick and easy - a long press of "3" on the remote removes the whole album from the playlist and continues playing from the start of the next. Though I still can't understand why you'd want to miss out DSotM...
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#74260 - 13/03/2002 10:12 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: dclesse]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
ROFL is short for "Rolling on floor, laughing."

It's not US or UK specific slang. It's internet shorthand, and is in very common usage, like the emoticons :-) ;-) :-O etc.
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#74261 - 13/03/2002 10:22 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: CrashLander]
darwin
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 205
So when you press down, down, down, it plays the whole entire database you set in emplode, so from there it knows which playlist is next and where it is. Is that right? When I press down, down, down, it starts playing 1 of 12,000+. What if I want to jump to song 6000, but then want to continue through the rest of the songs from there. Is the only way to do it to press Right 5999 times in a row? I think as a former NEO user, this feature would be great to navigate/jump to another song within a playlist.

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#74262 - 13/03/2002 14:31 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: Taym]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Out of curiosity, did your dictionary claim that a dork was a stupid or annoying person, or did it claim that it was a whale's penis?
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#74263 - 13/03/2002 15:02 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: wfaulk]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
I think the latter would be phrased as a big dork.

ROFL

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#74264 - 13/03/2002 15:18 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: wfaulk]
muzza
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Registered: 21/07/1999
Posts: 1765
Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...
I thought it wa camels penis.
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#74265 - 13/03/2002 15:23 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: muzza]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Actually, by definition, it just means a penis, but it seems to be used without derogatory connotation in the field of veterinary biology. I've heard it used most often in reference to whales, but there's no reason it couldn't be used about camels, too. (I'm not really sure what to call the segment of biology that deals with larger animals, so I defaulted to ``veterinary'', which is not quite accurate. Anyone have a better term for me?)
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#74266 - 13/03/2002 19:00 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: tfabris]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
Actually, the real shorthand is ROTFL. ROFL is just basterdizing the internet-speak I grew up with. Time to RTFM. Or maybe the slang is now RFM...

Bruno

IMNSHO
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#74267 - 13/03/2002 19:07 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: hybrid8]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
My favorite is ROTFLMAOASTC.

(Rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off and scaring the cat.)
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#74268 - 14/03/2002 02:29 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: wfaulk]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
My dictionary agrees. It means both "stupid" and "penis", without any specific reference to whales or other animals. But I was using an Italian-Eglish dictionary. On a simple English dictionary I am sure I would find a more detailed definition of "dork", probably confirming what you said

See, on the empeg bbs you really leard new things every day...
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#74269 - 14/03/2002 02:58 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: tfabris]
dclesse
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Registered: 31/01/2001
Posts: 112
Loc: Belgium/Luxembourg
ok, kind of LOL^2. tnx.
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#74270 - 14/03/2002 03:05 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: tfabris]
dclesse
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Registered: 31/01/2001
Posts: 112
Loc: Belgium/Luxembourg
is there an dictionary of those finger-saver terms somewhere?
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#74271 - 14/03/2002 03:15 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: dclesse]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
http://www.acronymfinder.com/ is pretty good for looking up one you don't recognize...

/Michael
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#74272 - 17/03/2002 16:12 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: tms13]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
I know the above [about listening to all Pink Floyd albums but skiping ove one or two] is just an example, Bitt, but the way I deal with that is quick and easy - a long press of "3" on the remote removes the whole album from the playlist and continues playing from the start of the next. Though I still can't understand why you'd want to miss out DSotM...

While I usually listen to my empeg in Tony the FAQmaster's fashion (or, if I want to listen to something specific, well, I select something specific), I also employ the 'hate' feature here and there, mostly in the 'Pink Floyd' situation described above.

However, how about a little addition to player software which I think would come halfway to Bitt desires without excessive rewriting: keep in running order boundaries of 'batches' of added groups of tunes (ideally, if a playlist was added, also boundaries of child playlists) - obviously, also provide a way to skip to next/previous boundary mark. That way one could decide one want to listen to Roger Water's solo albums, appent Pink Floyd ones, and then skip over Animals.

What do you think?
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#74273 - 17/03/2002 16:25 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: bonzi]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I was thinking about something very, very, similar. It would do almost exactly what I want. (Maybe exactly -- I'm too lazy right now to actually think it all the way through. )

The only issue I can think of right off of the top of my head is when you insert something in the middle of a playlist, so that an initial group is split in two. I think the best thing would be to keep track of where the ends of playlists are (the same thing as a boundary, really), and the command would be something like ``skip to end of current playlist''.
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#74274 - 17/03/2002 19:34 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: wfaulk]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
There's always the (existing) "Source" (Album) field in the track info.. (/proc/empeg_notify).

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#74275 - 18/03/2002 03:13 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: mlord]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I don't follow....
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#74276 - 18/03/2002 03:51 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: wfaulk]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
Maybe I misunderstood this too, but what I propose is not that it automatically play things that you did not select, but, rather, that if you select multiple playlists to play that it remember that it was in playlists and keep that organization, rather than flattening it out to one large list.

This is actually not terribly hard to implement (post-2.0). The difficult bit, as usual with these things, is finding a button to put the function on.

Or, as tms13 says, you can blat-by-source using the 3 button on the remote, which does TRT if all your playlists are different albums.

Peter

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#74277 - 18/03/2002 08:31 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: wfaulk]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
>I don't follow....

Neither does the player , but one could write some code to optionally treat the "source" field as the "Album", so that an "album skip" function could just jog through the running playlist until it finds a FID who's "Source" field is different from the currenly playing FID's "Source" field.

Cheers

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#74278 - 18/03/2002 12:39 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: mlord]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Oh, I see. But that doesn't take care of playlists that have multiple sources. It's also not something that we could implement, I don't think.
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#74279 - 18/03/2002 12:45 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: peter]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
    This is actually not terribly hard to implement (post-2.0).
Woo-hoo! An ancillary request would be to also display some sort of indication of the current playlist, not necessarily by name. An offset would be fine.
    The difficult bit, as usual with these things, is finding a button to put the function on.
I agree. Even if you can't come up with a good button for general use, making the command available to Hijack would probably help the majority of us that are interested in such a feature.
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#74280 - 19/03/2002 06:14 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: wfaulk]
CrashLander
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Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 26
Indeed!

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#74281 - 20/03/2002 01:08 Re: Playlist Navigation [Re: CrashLander]
CrashLander
stranger

Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 26
Hey, wouldn't it be easier to just extend the timing of the button.L to allow enough time for the last selected playlist to appear? This would make my macro work more consistantly. The timing is just shorter than it should be. Would this be possible, Mark?

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