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#267415 - 16/10/2005 17:18 Can't believe it's come to this....
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
.....but I'm really hooked on Need for Speed 2 and GTA SA. I've been playing on an old P3 with a cheap Nvidia card but I'm getting tired with the general sluggishness of it so I'm now going to swap this machine with my server box (Athlon XP 3200, Asus NF7-S Mobo, 512MB Corsair Dual Channel DDR400) and use that for gaming. The only thing is the graphics card in the server is an ancient ATI Rage128 so it obviously needs chucking. The Mobo supports AGP 8x so I should still be able to get something reasonably competent, I'm not willing to spend oodles of cash on one, but more than £30 (what I paid for the nvidia). I haven't a clue about price/performance so should I go for an ATI or an Nvidia card?

The machine will have to run linux as well as XP so linux drivers are a must, does this really mean Nvidia is the only real choice, the only other requirement would be a DVI connector for my next purchase. If I'm going to play games as well as other more boring activities would it make sense to have two XP partitions? One for games and one for everything else. Also, the box has a Tagan 500W quiet power supply, if the new graphics card has a power connector can I just connect a normal molex to it or should I up the PSU to one with a VGA-specific plug on it?

I never used to be interested in games but some of the stuff coming out now is unbelievable.
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#267416 - 16/10/2005 18:32 Re: Can't believe it's come to this.... [Re: andym]
sein
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Registered: 07/01/2005
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I was totally hooked on Need for Speed Underground and Colin McRae Rally 2 when they came out - such great games.

Get something that does DirectX Shader Model 3.0. The GeForce 6600GT is still a very good choice and recommended by many. You're looking at 100 quid though. It is a lot from a money point of view, but in my opinion you're missing out if you downgrade, and if you upgrade the price/performance ratio is too steep. IMHO it is the sweet spot at the moment.

As for Linux compatibility, the nVidia card would require the closed nvidia module, which works ok. ATi cards work well - my Radeon 9800 Pro does direct rendering out of the box in Ubuntu.

Pretty much everything should have DVI - if there is no DVI, something is very wrong. 500W should be fine for your rig. I'm running a ~400W Sparkle power supply on my overclocked-to-XP3200+ machine with bells and whistles. The graphics card would just have a molex on it, so there are no other new standards or plugs for it.


Edited by sein (16/10/2005 18:44)
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#267417 - 16/10/2005 21:41 Re: Can't believe it's come to this.... [Re: andym]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
Umm, how about buying an X-Box 360 when they come out?

Gotta be much easier than swapping out machines etc...

Cheers

Cris.

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#267418 - 16/10/2005 23:18 Re: Can't believe it's come to this.... [Re: sein]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
The latest ATI chipsets only do DRI (direct rendering interface) when used with the horrid ATI binary-only drivers. Avoid ATI like the plague, until they get serious about Linux.

NVidia also is infamous for binary-only support, but at least their drivers work.

In the longer run, the open source ATI drivers are ahead of the Nvidia ones, though..

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#267419 - 17/10/2005 03:50 Re: Can't believe it's come to this.... [Re: mlord]
sein
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ATI binary-only drivers

Whoa, I didn't even realise they were binary-only. Ubuntu is too easy, it just set everything up for me.

About the Xbox 360 - dude, that is a very good option.
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#267420 - 17/10/2005 12:25 Re: Can't believe it's come to this.... [Re: sein]
jondle
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Registered: 19/08/2005
Posts: 38
Loc: San Diego, CA, USA
Another card to look into is the plain GF 6800. I'm not sure about price compared to the 6600 GT. Just giving you thoughts. The AGP version of the 6800 has the same number of pipelines as the 6800 GT and ULTRA, they are just disabled. There is a simple software patch that will enable the other four pipleines, giving you a 6800GT (minus some clock speed....overclocked is the same though). It's been a while since I read about this though so I'd do research in it before you buy, as I'm sure you will. I'm just giving you something to think about.

For those readers with a PCI-X version, sorry, this doesn't work for you.
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#267421 - 17/10/2005 19:13 Re: Can't believe it's come to this.... [Re: Cris]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
Quote:
Umm, how about buying an X-Box 360 when they come out?

Gotta be much easier than swapping out machines etc...



I figure the machines really need swapping anyway, there's no point having an XP3200 cooking away when all it's really doing is fetching mail, serving the odd webpage and capturing some DTT recordings, might as well let the old P3 do that. A specced out 360 is going to be £270 it seems, a new, quality gfx card is probably only going to be £130-odd quid.

I'm a bit of a fickle person at the best of times, it might be that six months down the road I go off games again. Then I'll just have another games console gathering dust alongside my PSOne and N64. Having a powerful graphics card could be useful later. I've already got a DVD player and my shuttle in the living room so it's not like it could serve any other useful purpose, at least until they get xbox360 linux running on it. By then it could be even cheaper too.
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#267422 - 18/10/2005 05:07 Re: Can't believe it's come to this.... [Re: andym]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
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...gathering dust alongside my PSOne and N64.


...One the first Day God made light....On the second he invented eBay

I bet you could buy the Gfx card at half the price 6 months down the line, get a fair price for the 360 and make a kinda profit on the whole deal. I am a great believer in Consoles for Games PC/Mac for everything else apart from games, which is why I don't have a console, being a right old miserable git that I am

Cheers

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