#22929 - 23/11/2000 11:22
need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
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is there a way to get a mp3 to transfer back to the PC?
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#22930 - 23/11/2000 12:10
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: silvercas]
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not really, unless you _really_ need it back. the empeg built in software is designed to discourage downloading of mp3's from the system. about the only way I can think of would be to lookup in the database the track ID number, and send it zmodem over the serial port... or to install some kind of FTP server on the empeg. I don't know what it would take to do it over USB.
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#22931 - 23/11/2000 12:46
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: silvercas]
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Registered: 22/03/2000
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In reply to:
is there a way to get a mp3 to transfer back to the PC?
Mr Fabris, is this one for the FAQ?
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#22932 - 23/11/2000 13:36
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to com
[Re: silvercas]
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In reply to:
is there a way to get a mp3 to transfer back to the PC?
I am trying to do just that, but by trying to setup an ftp server on the empeg, so far all I have been able to find is to get a PPP enable kernel on the unit. This has proven difficult as the developer site has the required info, as well as a kernel update file, but alas it is for the Mk1, rendering my Mk2 rather useless. Plus the steps required, from what I can tell, to get PPP working on a Mk2, are way beyond my linux abilities. So I am wondering if the Mk1 pppkernel.update file, is convertable to a MK2 file.
Tony, can I assume you have PPP working on your Mk1, for your data transfer requirements? Do you have any ideas on how to get PPP running on a Mk2, or do you know of anyone who does have PPP running on a Mk2, and is it possible for them to export their kernel into an upgrade file and use emplode to ram their kernel onto my(other) empeg(s)?
For the obvious reason of running an ftp service on the empeg, I would also like to use my empeg to shuttle data from home to work, primarily for the stuff that is far too big for email, and for secure transfer between sites.
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#22933 - 23/11/2000 14:00
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to com
[Re: Smoker_Man]
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Registered: 10/06/1999
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I am trying to do just that, but by trying to setup an ftp server on the empeg, so far all I have been able to find is to get a PPP enable kernel on the unit. This has proven difficult as the developer site has the required info, as well as a kernel update file, but alas it is for the Mk1, rendering my Mk2 rather useless. Plus the steps required, from what I can tell, to get PPP working on a Mk2, are way beyond my linux abilities. So I am wondering if the Mk1 pppkernel.update file, is convertable to a MK2 file.
If you have a MK2 why are you trying to setup PPP ? Why don't you just use the ethernet port ?
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#22934 - 23/11/2000 14:02
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: silvercas]
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Registered: 16/06/1999
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Loc: San Francisco, CA
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Guys - there's a VERY easy way to get the mp3's back onto your computer now - install the displayserver app that's floating here..
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#22935 - 23/11/2000 14:13
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to com
[Re: dionysus]
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is that it? Just the Displayserver, well slap me arse and call me Judy.
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#22936 - 23/11/2000 14:22
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to com
[Re: Smoker_Man]
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Do you mind if I just stick with the name calling part ?
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#22937 - 23/11/2000 14:32
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: debauch]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Mr Fabris, is this one for the FAQ?Done. ___________
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#22938 - 23/11/2000 14:35
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to com
[Re: Smoker_Man]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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Tony, can I assume you have PPP working on your Mk1, for your data transfer requirements?I would like to do that, but at the current time I do not know how. I currently don't have a solution that would allow my Empeg to work as a USB taxi drive. The best option seems to be a modification of the Emptool sources, but I haven't done anything more than just asking about the subject on the BBS. ___________
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#22939 - 23/11/2000 14:54
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: dionysus]
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Registered: 23/10/2000
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Can we get some 1 2 3 direction to get displayserver up and running?
Alan
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#22940 - 23/11/2000 14:55
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: dionysus]
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Registered: 12/08/2000
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Loc: Netherlands
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DIsplayserver currently only works over TCP/IP, so you must use ethernet or PPP over serial line.
Maybe an idea : inlcude a link in displayserver which will generate a large tar-file with all the fids in it...
Once you click it, you can save it on your local computer ; hmm, next release...
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#22941 - 23/11/2000 15:23
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: silvercas]
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Registered: 12/08/2000
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Loc: Netherlands
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In reply to:
Can we get some 1 2 3 direction to get displayserver up and running?
- First install a developer image
- download the install.sh file from my web-site : http://empeg.dyndns.org/empeg/displayserver1.1
- connect the empeg through serial to your PC
- start hyperterminal ( or some other sort of terminal-emulation )
- boot the empeg
- press q in hyperterm if empeg has booted
- type : rw
- type : cd /
- use the send file option in hyperterm to copy the install.sh file to your empeg
- type : chmod +x install.sh
- type : ./install.sh
- answer the questions asked.
- reboot the empeg...
- open webbrowser and use URL : http://<ip-address of your empeg>
Frank van Gestel
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#22942 - 23/11/2000 19:27
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to com
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 08/03/2000
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Wasn't empeg thinking of making this possible at one point? I thought they said that due to the outcome of the RIAA's lawsuit against S3, they were looking at making it possible to transfer mp3's onto the computer. I never did get an answer when I brought this up with Rob... DiGNAN 
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#22943 - 23/11/2000 23:06
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to com
[Re: Dignan]
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the displayserver worked well. Its pretty kewl. I would really like a ftp server setup, but this will work. displayserver 1.2 ftp server :)
Alan
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#22944 - 25/11/2000 13:52
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to com
[Re: silvercas]
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Registered: 26/07/2000
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It'd be great if I could download it. The link from up above does not seem to work... Correct me if I'm wrong:
http://empeg.dyndns.org/empeg/displayserver_with_ir.1.1/
Thanks!
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#22945 - 25/11/2000 17:15
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to com
[Re: eyee]
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Registered: 12/08/2000
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You're right; As a result of installing a new(old) server I renamed the directory. The correct url should be : http://empeg.dyndns.org/empeg/displayserver1.1Frank van Gestel
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#22946 - 26/11/2000 15:37
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: fvgestel]
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hmm, next release...
It seemed relatively simple, so 1.1 includes a link which will let you save a tar file with the complete contents of /drive0 and /drive1 on your local computer...
Be sure to have enough disk-space though, as one huge file will be generated.
Downloading is quite fast (+/- 400Kb/sec)
Frank van Gestel
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#22947 - 26/11/2000 20:45
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: fvgestel]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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What are the odds of this sort of thing ever working over USB connected to a Windows box? (Says the man with the Mark 1.) ___________
Tony Fabris
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#22948 - 26/11/2000 21:35
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: fvgestel]
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Registered: 16/06/1999
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Downloading is quite fast (+/- 400Kb/sec)
Speaking of - why do downloads top out at 400kb/sec? FTP downloads from the empeg top out above 1mb/sec...
-mark
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#22949 - 27/11/2000 00:41
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 12/08/2000
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> What are the odds of this sort of thing ever working over USB connected to a Windows box? (Says the man with the Mark 1.)
Once ppp is running over USB... (unfortunately).
I cannot see any other way to use a web-browser over USB...
Frank van Gestel
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#22950 - 27/11/2000 00:45
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: dionysus]
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The 400Kb was over my old Coaxial network at home. I have some old hardware which is connected to a coax hub. On the coax hub there is an aui-port which connects to the empeg.
FTP-transfers also top at about 400Kb...
If you use a full-duplex UTP-hub you could get as far as 1.2Mb/s, also with displayserver, as it uses a standard TCP-connection.
Frank van Gestel
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#22951 - 27/11/2000 01:23
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[Re: fvgestel]
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1.1 includes a link which will let you save a tar file with the complete contents of /drive0 and /drive1 on your local computer...
Do I understand this correctly... would this work as a backup utility for the empeg that would create a mirror image on my local (Windows 98) PC and allow me to restore that image to the empeg, complete with playlists and database information?
tanstaafl.
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#22952 - 27/11/2000 02:22
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Well, I haven't figured out a way to restore for novice users, but yes, it will make a complete backup of everything that is on the data partitions...
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#22953 - 27/11/2000 09:57
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: fvgestel]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Once ppp is running over USB... (unfortunately).As I understand it, enabling PPP-over-USB is possible in the Empeg kernel, right? The only problem is that there's no Windows driver for connecting to it from a Windows box. Is this a correct assessment of the situation? ___________
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#22954 - 27/11/2000 12:10
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: tfabris]
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If the USB-port on the empeg would act like a serial port, PPP over USB wouldn't be a problem. USB is still something new to me, certainly on win32, so I cannot help you out here.
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#22955 - 03/12/2000 16:35
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[Re: tfabris]
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Update; I've got my win2k box talking to the empeg over USB. My plan is to write a small TCP-server on the windows box listening at port xxx. when a client connects to it, the connection will be forwarded over USB to port 80 on the empeg. Unfortunately the player app also listens on USB. Is there a way to disable USB in the player app?
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#22956 - 03/12/2000 16:42
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[Re: fvgestel]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Update; I've got my win2k box talking to the empeg over USB.You're my new best friend. Tell us more! ___________
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#22957 - 03/12/2000 16:59
Re: need FAQ on getting mp3 from empeg back to compt.
[Re: tfabris]
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Well, I spent an evening searching the web for USB-specs when I stumbled on windriver/USB, which is a tool for developing device-drivers. It did automatically detect the empeg and show the available pipes: Pipe00 : Type:control transport:in/out packet size:16 Pipe02 : Type:bulk transport:out packet size:64 Pipe03 : Type:bulk transport:out packet size:64 Pipe82 : Type:bulk transport:in packet size:64 It then let's you try sending/receiving bytes to the available pipes. I tested with :
# cat /dev/usb0
on the empeg, which gave me the bytes I transmitted at the win2k end on pipe 02 also:
# echo test > dev/usb0
showed the correct bytes at the windows end on pipe 82 Windriver then let's you generate C/C++/Delphi Code with all the basic functions to communicate over these pipes. NOTE: all communication was done with the player-app shut down. when the player is running, half of the bytes sent are lost/read by the player app. I tried to fake the /dev/usb0 device by replacing it with a file, but then the player really freaks out... Frank van Gestel
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#22958 - 03/12/2000 22:34
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[Re: fvgestel]
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Can you tell me where to get this WinDriver/USB from? I'm wanting to write a program to run my D-Link USB Radio that doesn't have its bogus record features...
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