#169903 - 10/07/2003 13:28
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: oliver]
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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do you guys have an eta for pearl? Well, yes, we do, but we probably aren't going to tell anyone what it is.
Peter
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#169904 - 10/07/2003 13:34
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: peter]
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what about just a ball park figure? like 1-3 months, 3-6 months? any little hint? i really can't wait for a portable handheld empeg player. 
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#169905 - 10/07/2003 13:35
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: schofiel]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
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Loc: Providence, RI
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Anyone who's prepared to travel halfway around the planet is, in my books, worthy of getting an alpha release
Being prepared has nothing to do with it. I did it in November, flew to London, was on the ground for a total of 28 hours, and flew home.
It's all about being able to leave when there's something to do.
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#169906 - 10/07/2003 13:36
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: djc]
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i understand where you're coming from. it just seems to me that there's little point in begging, when they've already decided how to manage the release.
Then obviously you shouldn't beg. Pleading might work.
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#169907 - 10/07/2003 15:36
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: peter]
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Registered: 19/04/2001
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Well, yes, we do, but we probably aren't going to tell anyone what it is. I was under the impression you already did.
Aren't we allowed to talk about what was said at the meet? Rob gave us a pretty decent idea of when we'd see them (in the States anyway) and why that time was significant.
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#169908 - 10/07/2003 20:04
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: schofiel]
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Registered: 12/02/2002
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Anyone who's prepared to travel halfway around the planet is, in my books, worthy of getting an alpha release
Sure. No arguments there. But most of the atendees didn't fly halfway around the world to be there. Tony and Mark already had acess to 3.0 anyways, so the number of people who flew halfway around the world to proove their worthieness of 3.0 is limited to Robricc and Jim Hogan? The rest were just in the right place and the right time...
The 3.0 rumors were enjoyed by all, and considered in good fun. Now were told that because we didn't come to the meet, we'll have to wait months to get ahold of anything similar for our empegs. I've driven 8 hours to get to an empeg meet. I've ditched my own 21st birthday party to go to an empeg meet. And that's less than plenty of the other people who couldn't make it to the meet.
Though it's their decision who gets alpha releases, I think not letting us plebians get acess to it soon after is pretty rude. Anyways, that's how I see it. I'll try and not complain any more.
Matthew
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#169909 - 10/07/2003 22:14
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: matthew_k]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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Don't forget... they don't HAVE to give you anything. Just keep reminding yourself to be thankful that they even care enough to spend the extra effort and UNPAID time to keep working on it in the first place. Good natured ribbing about everyone else not getting it is one thing, but calling them rude is another. Chill out... you can live for another few months without a crash happy crossfading empeg. =]
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#169910 - 10/07/2003 23:11
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: loren]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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Yeah, I meant to put that in there. Thanks to all the empeg guys for working on it. The fact that 3.0 even exists still amazes me... The fact that 2.0 final exists is amazing in and of itself. No other products support comes close in the upgrade category.
Chill out... you can live for another few months without a crash happy crossfading empeg. =]
Yes, I can. I think I'm just in a bad mood tonight because my amp has stopped working and started blowing fuses.... But that's a post for the ICE board.
Matthew
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#169911 - 11/07/2003 01:49
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: Daria]
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Registered: 24/04/2002
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Loc: Germany
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#169912 - 11/07/2003 04:56
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
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Peter (and the others),
Good luck working on the Pearl, you guys sound pretty busy. When you get to the point that donations will make a difference in the scheduling of the "Bug Blatt" be sure to let us know. Kidding aside, let us know when the "Blatt" is going to be so we can fund some of the "sustenance". Not only are we anxious to see the new version, but I for one would like a way to say "thank you" for all the hard work you're putting in on this stuff.
And for the record, if you'd chosen something totally arbitrary for who to give Alphas to such as the last letter in people's names I'd be totally cool with that (edit: I mean this to mean that I wouldn't have any complaints about anything you decide with regards to Alphas, arbitrary or not). I'm sure the lucky ones at the meet are glad to be part of the program. I am kind of interested in hearing someone describe how the cross-fading works though . . .
Edited by FerretBoy (11/07/2003 05:13)
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#169913 - 11/07/2003 04:59
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: JeffS]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Greetings!
One thing I do find curious about all of this. The person who recommended the food / beer bribes for the bug blatt is the person who does not live anywhere near empeg towers!
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#169914 - 11/07/2003 05:33
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: JeffS]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
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how the cross-fading works
Really well, thanks  .
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#169915 - 11/07/2003 05:38
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: Roger]
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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Really well, thanks
Ouch! Thanks for making me smile this morning.
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#169916 - 11/07/2003 05:39
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: Roger]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
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I knew you were going to say that! *sigh*
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#169917 - 11/07/2003 06:22
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: 303]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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nice try!
I'm nothing if not creative.
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#169918 - 11/07/2003 08:39
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: loren]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
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Don't forget... they don't HAVE to give you anything
Actually, they do. Since they have distributed the alpha to _somebody_ and it contains a linux kernel binary, they are now obligated to provide the source to said kernel. Beyond that, you are right.
I couldn't really care about cross-fading. I have no desire to have my empeg crash on me either. But I'd really like to see what may have changed in the kernel.
Let's not get too arsey about it...
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#169919 - 11/07/2003 08:48
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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I couldn't really care about cross-fading. I have no desire to have my empeg crash on me either. But I'd really like to see what may have changed in the kernel. I don't think we've changed anything in the kernel since 2.0final. But yes, of course you're right, if we have then any NDAs and so on don't apply to any such changes.
Peter
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#169920 - 11/07/2003 10:38
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: JeffS]
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Registered: 06/03/2002
Posts: 70
Loc: Tucson, AZ USA
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I agree completely. I would be very happy to chip in a few bucks to fund your work on future versions of the software.
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#169921 - 11/07/2003 12:25
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: Roger]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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Really well, thanks
Oh, so funny.
It is an oddity, but I am one of the people who probably uses only 20 percent of the software power of the Empeg. I spend most of my time on Shuffle/Random (and loving it!!).
It is then maybe an injustice then that I have a CD in my bag of the v3 alpha just by the accident of being able to go to Amersfoort. I will go home and install it and run shuffle (and who knows maybe re-install v2 when I become tired of the new random shutdown feature).
But this is not what the new alpha means to me. Since February I have been ripping new CDs in Ogg on speculation. I had no right to expect that The Guys would deliver new functionality including Ogg, I only had an optimistic hope. I could only wait and hope, and, frankly, I became a little chagrined when the occasional visitor would ask "So where's the Ogg???". To me, all Empeg improvements are now pure gravy.
Soooooo, when I get a CD that has v3 alpha, it doesn't translate into "look what I have today". It translates into "Wow, The Guys are still at work." --- events have conspired to let The Guys keep banging away at all of this, which is very, very cool. Everything I heard in the Netherlands sounded very positive for the old "Success Toujours" thing. I look forward to v3 Beta and to being the first guy in my block to own a 40GB iPod beater!
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#169922 - 11/07/2003 14:05
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: schofiel]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
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I tell you what might speed the process up - bung a bit of money behind the bar at the Wrestlers, and let them know that the food and beer is paid for
Nah don't do that right now. I'm already working 12 - 15 hour days and I don't want to feel guilty about not doing any car stuff on top of it. Give it a month or so and everything should be a lot more relaxed at empeg towers.
Rob
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#169923 - 11/07/2003 14:08
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: jimhogan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Soooooo, when I get a CD that has v3 alpha, it doesn't translate into "look what I have today". It translates into "Wow, The Guys are still at work." --- events have conspired to let The Guys keep banging away at all of this, which is very, very cool. I agree, we really have to hand it to The Guys for all the work they've done. It occurs to me, though, that part of the reason they're offering us a V3 trunk build is because of the quality of this closely-knit user community. We're the perfect test platform for new software technology.
Edit: Re-reading that, it sounds kind of conceited. What I was trying to say was: The guys deserve our gratitude. And at the same time, we deserve a pat on the back for continuing to be the coolest user community on the web.
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#169924 - 11/07/2003 14:09
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: johnmcd3]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
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Aren't we allowed to talk about what was said at the meet? Rob gave us a pretty decent idea of when we'd see them (in the States anyway) and why that time was significant.
Repeat after me.. Rob said nothing at the meet. Rob likes his job, and doesn't want to find a new one.
Thank you.
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#169925 - 11/07/2003 14:11
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: rob]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Who's Rob? I didn't see any Rob at the meet.
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#169926 - 11/07/2003 14:17
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: matthew_k]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
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Though it's their decision who gets alpha releases, I think not letting us plebians get acess to it soon after is pretty rude
Just chill OK? The CD's were handed out at the meet because I thought it would be a cool thing to do. If I'd been going to a meet in California or Iceland and the timing was right the same thing would have happened. I liked the idea of throwing around a few dozen CDR's with TOP SECRET printed on them. It was a laugh, and if you haven't worked it out yet, that's what the whole empeg thing is about.
So 40 people have got a preview release (which isn't really useful for anything more than playing with - it screws up with choppy playback after a while) who otherwise would not have done. You may resent their luck but I have to say I'm not losing sleep over it. What you SHOULD be complaining about is the extraordinary quantity of beer and meat products that you missed out on!
Rob
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#169927 - 11/07/2003 14:25
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: rob]
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Registered: 03/03/2002
Posts: 687
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
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Nah don't do that right now. I'm already working 12 - 15 hour days and I don't want to feel guilty about not doing any car stuff on top of it. Give it a month or so and everything should be a lot more relaxed at empeg towers.
I'm sorry, but I smell the beginnings of 'delusion' here..
That would be after Pearl/Karma is released.. And you think you're going to have time THEN? Uhhuh.
Me.
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#169929 - 11/07/2003 15:49
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: tfabris]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
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Woohoo. Maybe my wife can get a new car this year after all. When does MY2004 start in the car world? A few weeks?
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#169930 - 11/07/2003 17:16
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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At least as far as Volvo goes, it's been 2004 for at least a month now.
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#169931 - 11/07/2003 23:37
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: rob]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
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So I have a month to come up with 400.00 I'll Have to figure out what to do with the riot though.
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#169932 - 12/07/2003 00:24
Re: Need 3.0 Alpha software for upgrade
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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Same with Subaru. It's been '04 for at least two months.
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