#133575 - 08/01/2003 12:49
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Loc: Sterling, VA
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Due to some people's recent reactions to a common practice of mine, I must ask this question:
Of those of you who eat butter and have it in your homes, do you keep a bar outside the fridge at room temperature?
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#133576 - 08/01/2003 13:00
Re: Butter
[Re: Dignan]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 25/08/2000
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Loc: NH USA
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I voted no, but my parents (and pre-marital me) left a bar out. I figured that was a good a place as any to make a concession.
-Zeke
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#133577 - 08/01/2003 13:17
Re: Butter
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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I've had this argument many times with friends etc.
LEAVE THE DAMN BUTTER OUT! I can't stand trying to spread hard butter on toast or anything else. We keep it in one of those tupperware butter dishes. Saweeet.
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#133578 - 08/01/2003 13:27
Re: Butter
[Re: loren]
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Registered: 31/05/2002
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Loc: santa cruz,ca
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do you know why some butter is wrapped in paper, and some in foil?
I have cats, it stays in the fridge.
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#133579 - 08/01/2003 13:40
Re: Butter
[Re: loren]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
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That's exactly my philosophy. What good is butter on toast if you rip your toast apart?
The reason I started this is because my roommates always put my butter dish in the fridge. My parents have left a bar out for 30 years, and they're fine. We didn't even realize that it says "keep refrigerated" on the packaging
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#133580 - 08/01/2003 13:47
Re: Butter
[Re: Dignan]
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stranger
Registered: 07/10/2002
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My parents have left a bar out for 30 years, and they're fine
That's some heavy duty preservatives. :-)
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#133582 - 08/01/2003 13:51
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[Re: 440Fopar]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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My parents have left a bar out for 30 years, and they're fine
That's some heavy duty preservatives. :-) And some slow butter consumption, whch might explain why they're still ``fine''.
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#133583 - 08/01/2003 13:54
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[Re: wfaulk]
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
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*Sigh*
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#133584 - 08/01/2003 14:02
Re: Butter
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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My wife's father's mother has butter she keeps out. I just can't get used to leaving dairy products out. I'm weird.
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#133585 - 08/01/2003 14:10
Re: Butter
[Re: Ezekiel]
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Registered: 06/03/2002
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Loc: Tucson, AZ USA
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Same here, I hate ripped toast!
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#133586 - 08/01/2003 14:14
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[Re: Daria]
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#133587 - 08/01/2003 14:18
Re: Butter
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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at room temperature
I guess it might depend a bit on local climate, as well. You can get away with stuff in Lancashire in November which you can't in New Orleans in July. (And, of course, vice versa.)
FWIW I gave up on butter for spreading -- I use one of those nasty fake butter things made from petrochemicals and herring. But I still keep butter around for sauces, pastry, and, when no-one's watching, frying.
Peter
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#133588 - 08/01/2003 14:27
Re: Butter
[Re: Daria]
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stranger
Registered: 07/10/2002
Posts: 38
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If you have, or know someone who has, “Dairy Product Non-refrigeration” phobia (DPN), there is help. CAREFUL micro-waving of the cold butter will soften the butter and save the life of countless pieces of toast.
Remember, the toast you save could be your own.
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#133589 - 08/01/2003 14:32
Re: Butter
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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petrochemicals and herring
This is my solution as well. I use "I Can't Believe It's Not 10W30" for my butter-spreading needs.
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#133590 - 08/01/2003 14:58
Re: Butter
[Re: Dignan]
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old hand
Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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Yup... ripped toast sucks.. so butter out!
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#133591 - 08/01/2003 15:05
Re: Butter
[Re: Dignan]
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Registered: 30/04/2001
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Well, since I come from a place where they make and export LOTS of butters of different types all over the world. I probably can comment here.
I must say that I think putting the butter in the Fridge is the only way to go.
The fridges all made here have a special "butter conditioner" little box inside the fridge (up near the top where there is less cold air) where you can put your bar of butter in the (supplied) plastic tray with clear plastic cover and it keeps it warmer than the rest of the fridge (some sort of little heater thingy in there), so that it spreads better on your toast etc.
That yuckky "yellow" rind/oxidised bit you get on the outside of the butter is probably for sure, more harmful than the "fresh" butter further inside the bar, so leaving out your butter is a non-starter as it gets this nice rancid rind.
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Still if you live in a cold enough place then "leaving it out' might be the best way forward.
IMHO - the fridge is probably the best place for butter.
They also make here a special butter (called "spreadable butter") that has extra water mixed into it once the butter is made so that it can be spread straight from the fridge on your bread and toast.
The extra water content changes the flavour none but helps make it very easy to spread and is really the *only* option if your fridge has no butter conditioner.
[it makes it about have about the same spreadability factor as that horrid stuff called margarine - but with none of that "chemical" aftertaste :-) ].
The Spreadable Butter product was developed for the UK/Europe where fridges with butter conditioner don't exist.
Don't know if the product is available in the US - given the surfeit of Dairy products already sold in the US, I doubt it, or it would be very hard to find.
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#133592 - 08/01/2003 15:07
Re: Butter
[Re: tonyc]
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Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
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"I Can't Believe It's Not 10W30"
We use "Udderly Budderly" here, same difference I guess
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#133594 - 08/01/2003 15:18
Re: Butter
[Re: lastdan]
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Registered: 08/08/2000
Posts: 351
Loc: chicago
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do you know why some butter is wrapped in paper, and some in foil?
here in the US, unsalted butter is typically wrapped in foil, while (the more common) salted variety is wrapped in waxed paper. the salt in butter acts as a preservative, protecting against spoilage from light, among other things. unsalted butter, which is used more in baking, is wrapped in foil to minimize light exposure and prolong its life.
--dan.
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#133595 - 08/01/2003 15:25
Re: Butter
[Re: andy]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
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My mom uses a spray butter substitute for her toast. **ACK** Zero calories, tastes like butter (so she says, it's not coming CLOSE to MY lips!) , and you don't have to worry about spreading it.
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#133596 - 08/01/2003 15:26
Re: Butter
[Re: number6]
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Registered: 08/08/2000
Posts: 351
Loc: chicago
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The Spreadable Butter product was developed for the UK/Europe where fridges with butter conditioner don't exist.
Don't know if the product is available in the US - given the surfeit of Dairy products already sold in the US, I doubt it, or it would be very hard to find.
i've never seen it blended with water here, but they market "whipped butter" (infused with air) for the same purpose. i've tried it, and it tastes fine, but i don't find that it spreads any easier than regular butter at refrigerator temperatures.
--dan.
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#133597 - 08/01/2003 15:33
Re: Butter
[Re: number6]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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In looking around for this, I've found Anchor Spreadable Butter, but it claims to be softened with canola oil, not water. The other spreadable butters I've found seem to be the same. However, I did find the ButterBell, which should reduce rinding, at any rate.
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#133598 - 08/01/2003 15:35
Re: Butter
[Re: andy]
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
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I got one of these as a gag present one year, and I'll be damned if the contraption isn't one of the best thing since sliced...er, anyway, it works well if you keep it in the fridge, giving you a nice thin strip that is easily melted and spreadable, and works well if you keep it out, sealing the butter from the outside air and keeping it good much longer. I realize the "cheese" factor involved, and yes, it is the one you "saw on tv", but I do certainly recommend it.
edit...amazing how forgetting two letters can change the entire meaning of a sentence.
Edited by ninti (08/01/2003 15:44)
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#133599 - 08/01/2003 15:39
Re: Butter
[Re: ninti]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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I got one of these as a gag present one year, and I'll be damned if the contraption is one of the best thing since sliced...er, anyway, it works well if you keep it in the fridge, giving you a nice thin strip that is easily melted and spreadable, and works well if you keep it out, sealing the butter from the outside air and keeping it good much longer. I realize the "cheese" factor involved, and yes, it is the one you "saw on tv", but I do certainly recommend it.
You know it's a classic American product when it says "It does the measuring for you." in the blurb...
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#133600 - 08/01/2003 15:42
Re: Butter
[Re: Dignan]
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Registered: 07/03/2002
Posts: 211
Loc: State side
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you rang?
I prefer to keep myself out.
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#133601 - 08/01/2003 15:47
Re: Butter
[Re: butter]
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
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> I prefer to keep myself out.
ROTFL. I guess that means you are easily spreadable and not hard at all.
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#133602 - 08/01/2003 15:49
Re: Butter
[Re: ninti]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I guess that means you are ... not hard at all. You know, they have drugs for that these days.
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#133603 - 08/01/2003 15:51
Re: Butter
[Re: number6]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
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Ingenious - water down that expensive butter with cheap... water... and let the marketing droids go to town. It's a beancounter's wet dream.
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#133604 - 08/01/2003 15:58
Re: Butter
[Re: number6]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
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That yuckky "yellow" rind/oxidised bit you get on the outside of the butter is probably for sure, more harmful than the "fresh" butter further inside the bar, so leaving out your butter is a non-starter as it gets this nice rancid rind.
Eww! Mine never gets to that state! At most, the butter stays out for a week. Do some of you not use AC? My house is always 66-71 degrees. That seems to be fine for butter (no, not you, Butter ).
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