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#129853 - 09/12/2002 15:05 REAL SCAM ALERT
cblake
journeyman

Registered: 01/10/2002
Posts: 79
LOOK on ebay now. Some seller with 0 feedback and shades AND form israel is claiming to have 13 empegs for sale. He uses the same picture for each empeg.

WATCH OUT AND DO NOT BID!!!!!
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#129854 - 09/12/2002 15:14 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: cblake]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Good gracious...give the guy a frickin' chance. Ask him to post the serial numbers of the players before you call him a scam artist.

He may very well be, but have a little tact dude.
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#129855 - 09/12/2002 16:21 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: JBjorgen]
ninti
old hand

Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
> He may very well be, but have a little tact dude.

Yeah, it sounds a little suspicious, but only a little. His stated reason for selling them sounds plausible (a shop that went out of business). You could always use escrow if you are nervous.

Here is a link to all his stuff:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=electric_il&sort=3&rows=40
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#129856 - 09/12/2002 16:35 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: cblake]
darwin
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 205
lol

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#129857 - 09/12/2002 17:20 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: JBjorgen]
cblake
journeyman

Registered: 01/10/2002
Posts: 79
No friggin way in hell will I give this guy a chance! Its so damn obvious he/she is a scammer that his/her ebay user name should be scamshop



Edited by cblake (09/12/2002 17:21)
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#129858 - 09/12/2002 17:44 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: cblake]
visuvius
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Registered: 18/02/2002
Posts: 658
i'm with you. That seems f'ing ridiculous.

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#129859 - 09/12/2002 18:38 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: cblake]
rob
carpal tunnel

Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
Some seller with 0 feedback and shades AND form israel

No feedback doesn't mean much, everyone has to start somewhere - but Jewish as well?? Buyer beware doods!

Rob

(yes i'm being ironic)

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#129860 - 09/12/2002 18:45 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: rob]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

I am curious why those auctions are not showing up when I search for empeg on ebay. Strange...

I sent the seller a question, asking what the serial numbers were and if they were still under warranty. I will post the reply.
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#129861 - 09/12/2002 18:48 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: pgrzelak]
Jerz
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Registered: 13/07/2002
Posts: 634
Loc: Jesusland
Try unchecking the box that says search "in titles & descriptions"

Link to ebay


Jerz


Edited by Drakino (25/02/2004 14:47)

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#129862 - 09/12/2002 18:53 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: Jerz]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Strange, though. "empeg", my search term, is in both the body and title. It should have still found it. A bug in eBay???

Hopefully, I will hear back from the seller. If the auctions are valid or not, more information would never hurt.
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#129863 - 09/12/2002 18:54 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: pgrzelak]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
If the players were sold by SB direct to Israel (or anywhere outside of North America) then I should be able to find the original transaction by serial number, but there are other sources that could have supplied them.

Note that we never offered a dealer discount to any company outside of the US and UK (AFAIK) however many dealers chose to pay full price and resell above SRP.

Rob

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#129864 - 09/12/2002 18:57 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: pgrzelak]
TTony
journeyman

Registered: 26/06/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Charleston, SC
A couple things that worry me...

- Look at his other auctions. 42" flat screen TV's for $2500?
- You can't pay directly with a credit card. Almost all electronics stores that I know of have this option.

I may be wrong but something just doesn't feel right. I also would not buy something from Israel that only accepts money orders or checks. Lastly, someone should ask him to e-mail or post a picture of the empegs (with a dated newspaper).

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#129865 - 09/12/2002 19:50 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: TTony]
JimmyD
new poster

Registered: 09/12/2002
Posts: 12
Loc: Fox Lake, IL
AARRRGGGH!!!!!

I'm TOO paranoid to bid now after reading this thread!!! heh! Damn it. I still don't have an Empeg player and this dude's auctions are at the right price!!!! Seems too good to be true... I'm pretty skeptical about it as well because why would ou set up these 13 auctions and only set them for 2 days and 8 hours?!?! I figure that you have 13 products that are in HUGE demand (in a niche group of course... but there's demand nonetheless...) and if you set up the 13 auctions for the maximum days allowed for an auction by eBay (which is 10 days) you have WAY more people bumping into the auction to jump in, bid, and drive the prices up higher!
It seems like this person is trying to make some quick cash... I just hope that the buyers are going to receive something in return for their money!!!
I wish these auctions were spread out, if they were, I might bid if I found out the results from an earlier winner.
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#129866 - 09/12/2002 20:15 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: JimmyD]
elvis
enthusiast

Registered: 18/01/2002
Posts: 270
Loc: Arizona USA
I agree about the time limit; it is short. It could be that he wants to live to see the end of the auctions.....

What I'd like to know is, doesn't Empeg deny warranty transfers?

"Inside the riocar manual it says the warranty is not transferable from one user to another." yn0t_

That means you'd need the original owner to do the talking. I woudn't trust a guy as far away as Israel to stick around if I had problems.....
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#129867 - 09/12/2002 21:34 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: JimmyD]
ninti
old hand

Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
Just hang on a little bit. Pgrzelak e-mailed him asking about the serial numbers and I e-mailed him asking if he would do the escrow thing. If he e-mails us back in a timely fashion, then you might have a better idea about his authenticity before having to make the decision to bid.

BTW, about the price....his reserve has not been hit yet, and with a $400 starting price, I would take a wild guess that his reserve is $600 or higher.
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#129868 - 10/12/2002 02:38 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: rob]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
but Jewish as well??

Oi, cut that out - would you buy an Empeg from me!
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#129869 - 10/12/2002 06:51 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: ninti]
RickD
journeyman

Registered: 03/09/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Southern California
I sent a message requesting serial numbers as well. In addition, escrow is a must. It's the only way that we can protect ourselves.

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#129870 - 10/12/2002 08:32 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: RickD]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
looks like he's getting a load of those messages...I sent a message asking for serial #'s before either of you guys

If he is scamming, maybe he'll get the message that the empeg community to too smart to scam and stick to scamming lesser beings.
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#129871 - 10/12/2002 10:23 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: JBjorgen]
RickD
journeyman

Registered: 03/09/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Southern California
Has anyone received a response with serial numbers?

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#129872 - 10/12/2002 10:39 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: RickD]
cblake
journeyman

Registered: 01/10/2002
Posts: 79
Are you really counting on them serial #'s? IF I am somehow wrong about this guy then I would apologize 100x's BUT it is so obvious. Why do you think he only accepts money orders and cashiers checks. I am 100% sure that anyone with this much HIGH END merchandise could accept paypal, credit cards, etc.

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#129873 - 10/12/2002 11:11 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: cblake]
DeadFire
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Registered: 30/05/2002
Posts: 695
Perhaps the loss of the store (that he claims to have happened) is a bigger blow than you might think. Maybe he has no source of income now or even a checking account. It's possible.

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#129874 - 10/12/2002 11:26 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: cblake]
RickD
journeyman

Registered: 03/09/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Southern California
It is possible that the units are legitimate. The presence of valid serial numbers would clear that up. If you are are so concerned about him, don't bid on any of the units.

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#129875 - 10/12/2002 12:59 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: RickD]
ninti
old hand

Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
> Has anyone received a response with serial numbers?

Well, all I asked him was whether he does escrow or not, a simple yes or no question, but I have not heard back from him. It is late night there now and he has had all day to answer it if he wanted to.

I have enough Empegs, but those LCD monitors look real nice, and for an expected reserve price of $300, I could sure go for one, but I certainly wouldn't buy anything from this guy without escrow. I wish I could just bid and force escrow on the guy later, but Ebay rules state that both parties must agree beforehand.

Strange things going on in those auctions; some guy went through every monitor and TV electric_il was selling and apparently bid exactly the minimum price for each. Odd.
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#129876 - 10/12/2002 13:48 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: ninti]
Phoenix42
veteran

Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
This seller is not currently offering any items for sale.
seems like electric_il is no longer selling them
the 13 empegs are no longer for sale

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#129877 - 10/12/2002 13:59 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: Phoenix42]
cblake
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Registered: 01/10/2002
Posts: 79
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#129878 - 10/12/2002 14:02 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: Phoenix42]
ninti
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
And he is no longer a registered user. Well, so much for that. I wonder if Ebay shut him down.
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#129879 - 10/12/2002 20:02 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: ninti]
FireFox31
pooh-bah

Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
Haha, that'd be funny. Any scammer that was stupid enough to try to sell 35 dead items at once is just about as bright as three college grads who hack EVERY bet at a famous horse racing event and plan to get away with it. Greed always kills.
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#129880 - 11/12/2002 05:50 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: FireFox31]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

I just received a reply from the seller. This is quoted, with the hotmail HTML formatting cleaned up. I did not mess with the spelling or grammar.

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From: "yossi cohen" <electric_shop@hotmail.co.il>
Date: 2002/12/11 Wed AM 05:18:47 CST
To: pgrzelak
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1944417995

Hello,

Since Ebay suspended me from using my account, untill i use ID veridy, the only thing that didnt notince is that ID verify can be used only to American people, and not International people like myself. Due to this fact i cant sell more then 20 products at a given time.

I would like to pay your attention to few things:

1. All the products being sold by us are new and have never been opended.
2. The reason im selling the products is because our shop suffered a failure and is in a process of closing.

I would like to thank you all for taking place in the auction, I hope that in the future Ebay will be able to provide a better service to the International sellers for our all interest. for users who aksed me about purchsing outside of Ebay, Im now cansultaning on the matter with my lawyer. You are welcome to propose a suggestion, and such will be considered by us.

Best regards,
Uri
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#129881 - 11/12/2002 08:21 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: pgrzelak]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
I got a word for word identical letter.
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#129882 - 11/12/2002 08:23 Re: REAL SCAM ALERT [Re: pgrzelak]
mrfixit
enthusiast

Registered: 14/06/2002
Posts: 337
Hmm.. strange he still did not mention anything about the ser. #'s.
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