Ok, I know they are chmodded cause I can run them from a serial connection in hyper terminal and they run fine.. I know i have to change the empacmans path its in /programs0 but telnetd is able to be run anywhere so i got to track down where i copied it..

Thank you for taking the time to help me with this.
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